What 5 Series Changes Would You Like?
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:39 PM
[quote name='Mercy' date='Sep 6 2005, 02:53 PM']1. LSD
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[/quote]LSD = Limited Slip Differential.
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Here is my list:
Redesigned tail lights and trunk? have the tail lights go straight across the back of the trunk on the top instead of pointing down.
Trunk finisher standard
In dash CD/DVD changer
Ability to play DVD movies on the I-Drive screen
DVD-Audio or Super Audio CD playback ability (i.e. High definition audio) like what is available on Acura and Lexus products
Return of the aluminum trim option for the US market
Fully integrated iPod control, along with a powered location to store it.
Air vents in the sun roof screen so that when in the vent position air can flow through without having to crack open the vent a couple of inches. (like current Mercedes product line)
Redesign the rear center arm rest ? get rid of that big black latch that holds it in the up position, and make it so the center head rest does not block the line of sight out of the rear view mirror. Add wood/metal trim (to match the rest of the car) on the back of the armrest which would be visible only when the arm rest is down.
Additional interior color choices for US market
Dark Grey (black) headliner for Auburn and Charcoal grey interiors.
New instrument cluster (looks dated)
Redesigned front center console - give it a more sculpted look like the E63 and E90, and add some additional storage space (maybe a nice place for an iPod to live?)
Redesigned tail lights and trunk? have the tail lights go straight across the back of the trunk on the top instead of pointing down.
Trunk finisher standard
In dash CD/DVD changer
Ability to play DVD movies on the I-Drive screen
DVD-Audio or Super Audio CD playback ability (i.e. High definition audio) like what is available on Acura and Lexus products
Return of the aluminum trim option for the US market
Fully integrated iPod control, along with a powered location to store it.
Air vents in the sun roof screen so that when in the vent position air can flow through without having to crack open the vent a couple of inches. (like current Mercedes product line)
Redesign the rear center arm rest ? get rid of that big black latch that holds it in the up position, and make it so the center head rest does not block the line of sight out of the rear view mirror. Add wood/metal trim (to match the rest of the car) on the back of the armrest which would be visible only when the arm rest is down.
Additional interior color choices for US market
Dark Grey (black) headliner for Auburn and Charcoal grey interiors.
New instrument cluster (looks dated)
Redesigned front center console - give it a more sculpted look like the E63 and E90, and add some additional storage space (maybe a nice place for an iPod to live?)
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:58 PM
[quote name='donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:39 PM'][quote name='Mercy' date='Sep 6 2005, 02:53 PM']1. LSD
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[/quote]LSD = Limited Slip Differential.
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[/quote]Thanks. How do you distinquish between LSD and traction control--which is on board? Are you saying a form of traction control that does not affect HP?
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:02 PM
[quote name='ipse dixit' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:58 PM'][quote name='donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:39 PM'][quote name='Mercy' date='Sep 6 2005, 02:53 PM']1. LSD
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[/quote]LSD = Limited Slip Differential.
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[/quote]Thanks. How do you distinquish between LSD and traction control--which is on board? Are you saying a form of traction control that does not affect HP?
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[/quote]Traction control and a LSD are very different mechanisms.
LSD
LSD is a performance feature.
On every car a basic differential is fitted to to distribute the engine's power to the driving wheels. The basic differential gear supplies the power to wheels which is/are loaded with least resistance. This allows the cars wheels to run at different speeds in a turn with least resistance.
However, when a car is cornering close to it's limit, the car will exhibit roll, a leaning to one side, causing the inside tires to lose forward traction and lateral grip. The wheels lift and cause excessive spin because of lack of downward force or weight distribution. This wheel spin is useless for acceleration until the tires regain traction and start to translate the power to the ground. A Limited Slip Differential setup does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. By limiting the velocity difference between the pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
Essentially then, LSD reduces wheel spin while cornering at high speeds to maintain:
* Go-kart like handling.
* Optimum traction between tires and pavement.
DSC (or traction control)
DSC, on the other hand, is very different. In BMW's iteration, DSC (which combines ABS braking and AST) is essentially a safety feature. It prevents the car from losing control -- i.e., ensuring (forcing?) directional stability.
In other words, the DSC computer constantly calculates an ideal driving condition. If the vehicle oversteers or understeers, DSC then intervenes within a few milliseconds via the engine management system by influencing the engine torque and activating brakes on individual wheels where necessary.
While DSC utilizes the LSD technology, it is not the same. Because the BMW DSC integrates ASC+T, the traction control system on the E60 can automatically apply the brakes on a drive wheel about to spin. Since each drive wheel can be braked individually, this system has the same effect as a limited slip differential. The result is optimum traction comparable with the efficiency of a limited-slip differential. This limited slip-effect is generated only at speeds up to approx. 45 mph, however. At speeds of more than 60 mph, there is no further intervention in the brakes. Instead, control action is limited to a modification of the throttle butterfly position in accordance with the DME programming.
So, there you have it. Feel free to correct anything I've said.
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My Ride: 2008 M5 -- Exterior: Silverstone, Interior: Black. Fully Loaded. That just about sums it up! :-)
1) Touch Screen Nav
2) More interior color combinations
3) Night Vision (I know, coming soon!)
4) iDrive menu that can show you what CIP version is installed in the car.
5) "Wishful" feature: Cloaking device.
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2) More interior color combinations
3) Night Vision (I know, coming soon!)
4) iDrive menu that can show you what CIP version is installed in the car.
5) "Wishful" feature: Cloaking device.
-Tony
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit' date='Sep 6 2005, 07:55 PM
[quote name='donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:02 PM'][quote name='ipse dixit' date='Sep 6 2005, 05:58 PM'][quote name='donv' date='Sep 6 2005, 01:39 PM'][quote name='Mercy' date='Sep 6 2005, 02:53 PM']1. LSD
[snapback]167546[/snapback]
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[/quote]LSD = Limited Slip Differential.
[snapback]167641[/snapback]
[/quote]Thanks. How do you distinquish between LSD and traction control--which is on board? Are you saying a form of traction control that does not affect HP?
[snapback]167673[/snapback]
[/quote]Traction control and a LSD are very different mechanisms.
LSD
LSD is a performance feature.
On every car a basic differential is fitted to to distribute the engine's power to the driving wheels. The basic differential gear supplies the power to wheels which is/are loaded with least resistance. This allows the cars wheels to run at different speeds in a turn with least resistance.
However, when a car is cornering close to it's limit, the car will exhibit roll, a leaning to one side, causing the inside tires to lose forward traction and lateral grip. The wheels lift and cause excessive spin because of lack of downward force or weight distribution. This wheel spin is useless for acceleration until the tires regain traction and start to translate the power to the ground. A Limited Slip Differential setup does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. By limiting the velocity difference between the pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
Essentially then, LSD reduces wheel spin while cornering at high speeds to maintain:
* Go-kart like handling.
* Optimum traction between tires and pavement.
DSC (or traction control)
DSC, on the other hand, is very different. In BMW's iteration, DSC (which combines ABS braking and AST) is essentially a safety feature. It prevents the car from losing control -- i.e., ensuring (forcing?) directional stability.
In other words, the DSC computer constantly calculates an ideal driving condition. If the vehicle oversteers or understeers, DSC then intervenes within a few milliseconds via the engine management system by influencing the engine torque and activating brakes on individual wheels where necessary.
While DSC utilizes the LSD technology, it is not the same. Because the BMW DSC integrates ASC+T, the traction control system on the E60 can automatically apply the brakes on a drive wheel about to spin. Since each drive wheel can be braked individually, this system has the same effect as a limited slip differential. The result is optimum traction comparable with the efficiency of a limited-slip differential. This limited slip-effect is generated only at speeds up to approx. 45 mph, however. At speeds of more than 60 mph, there is no further intervention in the brakes. Instead, control action is limited to a modification of the throttle butterfly position in accordance with the DME programming.
So, there you have it. Feel free to correct anything I've said.
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[/quote]Thanks for, as far as I know, for an excellent explanation. I just want to be able to turn traction control off when accelerating, but leave stability control on at the same time--as on my Z06. Here, I am using the terms as they apply on the Z06.
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Titanium Gray
Black Interior, Anthracite Trim
M-tech kit
Sport Package
Premium Sound
Satellite Radio
Active Cruise
Comfort Seats
Navigation
Folding rear seats
A better stereo.
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Originally Posted by subterFUSE' date='Sep 6 2005, 09:59 PM
A better stereo.
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Sep 7 2005, 01:43 PM
[quote name='subterFUSE' date='Sep 6 2005, 09:59 PM']A better stereo.
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[/quote]Yeah... dual exhaut for the 550.
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I would really like to have live radar downloaded onto the iDrive screen so I can tell where rain may be heading if I'm on my way to a sports game or other event.