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dingolfing Nov 19, 2012 04:14 PM

Just to clear things up...

DS mode only utilizes 1st thru 5th gear.
Regular D mode only uses 2nd thru 6th gear.
M/S mode is the only way to use all 6 gears.

I AM curious about the difference between the Sport Automatic and the Steptronic Automatic. Other than the Sport button and the shift paddles, is there any other hardware that the Sport has that the Steptronic does not? Because for a $500 upgrade, that is relatively cheap for a factory option, and which leads me to believe both transmissions are the same and have the sport programming built-in. And that the Steptronic just doesn't have the button to access those "magic" pins.

///MrSingh Nov 19, 2012 09:08 PM

Has anyone experienced any differences when using manual mode with the Sport button enabled?

onessela Nov 19, 2012 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by dbond (Post 1477583)
- "At a touch of a button it becomes one of the very best ..." - Clarkson

Tactile, responsive are probably not the words that come to mind when you are behind the steering wheel of a big 4 door sendan such as E60. May I present you THE button to change your perception of E60. The button that transforms 5' to a vehicle BMW engineers meant to be. Before bean counters and MBAs got their hands on the blueprints. :fcuk:

It's called FDC (Fahr Dynamic Control). .........

Hi, do you think I should give it a try even on my E61 520D (LCI 2008) ?

w00t100 Nov 20, 2012 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by sanjsanj (Post 1478592)
AFAIK, cars with a DTC button have only DTC functionality. Cars with a DSC button have both DSC and DTC, and a short press disables DSC but keeps DTC on, whereas a long press disables both.

And you'd be massively wrong. DTC is DSC and DTC together.

Crckrjck Nov 20, 2012 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by dingolfing (Post 1479194)
Just to clear things up...

DS mode only utilizes 1st thru 5th gear.
Regular D mode only uses 2nd thru 6th gear.
M/S mode is the only way to use all 6 gears.

My shifter says M/S on the left or D for normal drive. Is DS when you shift it over, but haven't gone up or down, so it's still shifting for you? Am I understanding that correctly?

so i guess
DS = Drive Sport
M/S = Manual Shift

I'm not sure on 1st, but I do get 6th in any mode. If i'm going 60mph, and enable SPORT mode, it shifts to 5th. If i'm going 70mph and enable, it stays in 6th. And it shifts by itself to 6th in either shifting mode when SPORT is enabled from a standing start, at around 65mph.

I would say that what i'm calling DS and regular drive - D are the same when SPORT mode is enabled, other than the fact that you're ready to downshift if needed.

I'm switching things around constantly. Low key, nothing on while in the neighborhood to keep the exhaust rumble down at 6:30am. End of neighborhood it's DSC full off, SPORT mode on, then out to the main roads shifting over to the M/S side so i can put it in 6th around 50-55mph if traffic is clear... I definitely have more options now! I'm just worried i'm going to rip the transmission out of the damn thing because I can't keep my foot out of the gas since I did this mod:twoup:

balbs Nov 20, 2012 12:48 PM

I think part of the confusion is that in regular Auto mode, the car actually starts at M2, not M1. You can start M1 in Manual mode.

NoQuarter Nov 20, 2012 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Crckrjck (Post 1479330)
I'm just worried i'm going to rip the transmission out of the damn thing because I can't keep my foot out of the gas since I did this mod:twoup:

no worries... our transmissions can take a lot more than stock power can dish out.

545IblupasdU Nov 20, 2012 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Shlooky (Post 1479157)
Tip of the day...
The car will shift into 6th in DS mode if you turn cruise control on.

If im in DS theres no reason to put cruise control on, My foot is all over the pedal, DS is for spirited driving not cruising. Id rather just put in D and get the 6th gear. We were talking about the differences in the DS, sport and D on different variations of the 5 series.

Crckrjck Nov 20, 2012 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by NoQuarter (Post 1479334)
no worries... our transmissions can take a lot more than stock power can dish out.

good to know, thanks!

Shlooky Nov 20, 2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by 545IblupasdU (Post 1479353)
If im in DS theres no reason to put cruise control on, My foot is all over the pedal, DS is for spirited driving not cruising. Id rather just put in D and get the 6th gear. We were talking about the differences in the DS, sport and D on different variations of the 5 series.

Was just experimenting and discovered it. I agree its for the spirited driver. I am one of them :)


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