Speed limiter!
08-07-2006 | 10:07 AM
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Ok...as most of you guys experienced the top speed limiter i have a question. So how come some hit 260km/h (needle perfectly aligned at the 260 mark) without any mods, and some, like me, hit 255 or so. I for one only hit once 260km/h and that was when i 1st took the car at that speed (2008 km on the dash if i recall 
) but ever since no matter how i try to do it i get only 255km/h. Some say that you have to take it more progresively and not floor it. Tried that also and it didn't work.
Ohhh and btw i DO get a strange sensation when it hits the 255 mark. You see until the limiter kicks in the car accelerates and accelerates really fast, even after 200km/h it still goes and goes and when it hits 255 it feels like an invisible hand comes down and pinpoints the car exactly at that speed. I dare to say it even feels it dives a bit...it's a strange sensation...Do you feel me?
) but ever since no matter how i try to do it i get only 255km/h. Some say that you have to take it more progresively and not floor it. Tried that also and it didn't work. Ohhh and btw i DO get a strange sensation when it hits the 255 mark. You see until the limiter kicks in the car accelerates and accelerates really fast, even after 200km/h it still goes and goes and when it hits 255 it feels like an invisible hand comes down and pinpoints the car exactly at that speed. I dare to say it even feels it dives a bit...it's a strange sensation...Do you feel me?
08-07-2006 | 10:16 AM
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Hi BTWMYW I hope you are not doing this in RO???
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now ) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now
) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.
08-07-2006 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='319851' date='Aug 7 2006, 08:16 PM
Hi BTWMYW I hope you are not doing this in RO???
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now ) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now
) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.--
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08-07-2006 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='319851' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:16 PM
Hi BTWMYW I hope you are not doing this in RO???
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now ) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.
Secondly the tacho is at least 5 km/h shows you more...so when you hit 260 that is less. maybe 250-255 km/h. Same w rented M5 when Alex hit 270 Km/h that is not possible as there was Vmax (the speed limiter) and all cars from BMW has that at 250Km/h. When mine was juiced we took the Vmax out, and then measured on the rolling road. Try to put a portable GPS to see what I say, it will be few Km/h less.
OT : Same when I will change the wheels for 20"s (should really come now
) and then recalibrate the tacho, fyi I tell you as I will loose some weight, I mean of course the car, the bigger diameter will not be a disadvantage, so actually in the end there will be a small increase in performance as the UHP tires will be on instead of RFT, see all counts in.
I feel you but hey i know about the difference between the tacho readout and the real speed. It's normal. But that some reach 260 and i can't anymore. That means that their tacho is less acurate than mine or what?
08-07-2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PoleApart' post='319855' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:21 PM
I have a Pocket PC with GPS and navigation which at 240 km/h on the car's speedo shows about 225 km/h actual. I would have expected the speed limiter to be tied with the speedometer though? Never went faster, but it could be interesting because I don't think the 530d has a speed limiter.
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But hey that's too off don't you think? 240 on the tach and 225 real one? Hmmm...so that means that at 255 (limiter) you are doing probably 230ish?! So that means you are limited at 230ish ?
Just a thought.... 
08-07-2006 | 10:33 AM
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Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='319857' date='Aug 7 2006, 08:25 PM
Yeah i was thinking about the same thing...maybe some cars that don't have an electonic limiter get after all to 260km/h. Does the 530i have one? I think it has and i am sure a member here has some pics with it's car at 260.
But hey that's too off don't you think? 240 on the tach and 225 real one? Hmmm...so that means that at 255 (limiter) you are doing probably 230ish?! So that means you are limited at 230ish ? Just a thought....
But hey that's too off don't you think? 240 on the tach and 225 real one? Hmmm...so that means that at 255 (limiter) you are doing probably 230ish?! So that means you are limited at 230ish ?
Just a thought.... Get yours done and then you have it, but even in Germany not always you have space, allowance, and conditions to use it. Good luck mate 
08-07-2006 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='319860' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:33 PM
All cars have the Vmax as from factory, unless you have a friend but even like that only after the delivery you can take that out. Cars from diplomatic sales (like BM) does not have a limitation, meaning that normally I should have none!!! And there was when we did 1st run on the rolling road, mine was at 260Km/h as you see in the posts, but the measurement (only on workshop conditions but the REAL was 290Km/h and above). I do not say I will reach that on Autobahn as the conditions will never be the same, so now I can reach 260 w/o effort, except of course I have to push it Get yours done and then you have it, but even in Germany not always you have space, allowance, and conditions to use it. Good luck mate
Get yours done and then you have it, but even in Germany not always you have space, allowance, and conditions to use it. Good luck mate
08-07-2006 | 10:41 AM
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530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E60.net Clings
Still to do list;-):
� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='319864' date='Aug 7 2006, 08:39 PM
Yah yah just make me even more hunger for that remap...
( But the torque of a nice diesel can be as fun as the power of the one and only beast) 
08-07-2006 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ats77' post='319866' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:41 PM
If u do not come here to Heinz go to wetter's and then get the Vmax out, it is in all cars except military, official or diplomatic sales, so if we buy the M5 for 66thd? that wud go over 250 as there is no limiter. But we did not, maybe one day... ( But the torque of a nice diesel can be as fun as the power of the one and only beast)
( But the torque of a nice diesel can be as fun as the power of the one and only beast)
08-11-2006 | 12:48 AM
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The sensation you feel is due to how the limiter works.
BMW have set an electronic signal barrier. The ECU gets fed with the speed signal. As soon the signal exceeds the maximum, set as acceptable, the ECU will reply with the last known allowed signal, thus limiting the top end. e.g. the ECU receives a 250k/mh signal, it will reply with the 250 signal. If it receives an exceeding signal from the sensors indicating 252 the next time, it will reply with 250 holding you back. That's what you feel as invisible hand.
Mine is mapped by www.e-maps.co.uk and I have hit just over the 270 mark on the good old Autobahn a few times this week, measured by GPS. The needle marches to 260, stops and the car still surges. Feels good and still sits solidly planted.
BMW have set an electronic signal barrier. The ECU gets fed with the speed signal. As soon the signal exceeds the maximum, set as acceptable, the ECU will reply with the last known allowed signal, thus limiting the top end. e.g. the ECU receives a 250k/mh signal, it will reply with the 250 signal. If it receives an exceeding signal from the sensors indicating 252 the next time, it will reply with 250 holding you back. That's what you feel as invisible hand.
Mine is mapped by www.e-maps.co.uk and I have hit just over the 270 mark on the good old Autobahn a few times this week, measured by GPS. The needle marches to 260, stops and the car still surges. Feels good and still sits solidly planted.