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12-22-2008, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IceyTys' post='724194' date='Nov 18 2008, 10:42 AM
+100 I whole heartedly agree, if a grown person decides not to wear his seatbelt that his choice whether it be dumb or not, a minor thats a different story.
I agree you should fight the ticket, its is your word versus his w/o any other evidence to back him up. Besides to the best of my knowledge its a non moving violation anyway, so I dont think this would hit your driving record? Can anyone confirm?
I know all states are a little bit different, but these seat belt laws are so new I wasnt sure they are classifing them as non-moving or not.
FYI....I do wear my seatbelt alwasy......force of habit!
I agree you should fight the ticket, its is your word versus his w/o any other evidence to back him up. Besides to the best of my knowledge its a non moving violation anyway, so I dont think this would hit your driving record? Can anyone confirm?
I know all states are a little bit different, but these seat belt laws are so new I wasnt sure they are classifing them as non-moving or not.
FYI....I do wear my seatbelt alwasy......force of habit!
In California, when it comes to defense of a minor traffic violation, with no other evidence available to either party, the "his word versus your word" approach is totally void....YOU LOSE! The officer is a trained and qualified professional, not only in the observation and enforcement of traffic violations, but also and more imprtantly, in courtroom procedure and truth in testimony.
In my opinion, your best bet is to plead "no contest" and take the diversion penalty, be it a reduced fine or traffic school.
Coincidentally, I am a former police officer and I DO NOT normally wear my seatbelt.
12-22-2008, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pgetsch' post='750878' date='Dec 22 2008, 09:03 PM
this post has been retired for about a month now but im happy to say that the cop never entered the ticket and im $120 richer for it.....i love NYPD incompetance. 
12-22-2008, 07:43 PM
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I was pulled over recently for crossing the center line in a tunnel. While I waited for the officer, I undid my belt and reached over and got out my registration and insurance card. Of course when he comes to the window he says " So, decided not to wear your seatbelt today??" He wouldn't hear anything to the contrary from me or my 67year old(ie not some young kid) passenger. In the end I decided that my time was worth more than spending a day in Traffic court. I guess I learnt my lesson to sit still and wait.
12-22-2008, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ExGMan' post='750955' date='Dec 22 2008, 10:48 PM
I guess you showed them, huh?
nah, just got lucky. ticket was bullsh!t anyway...
12-23-2008, 01:39 AM
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I rather like how UAE deals with the seatbelt issue. It's technically the law, and if you get flashed (speed cameras) while speeding and aren't wearing a seatbelt, you could get a fine, but ultimately they don't care. Same with child seats - Most people don't use them here (with some exceptions). Deal is, though - if you get into an accident and you weren't wearing a seatbelt, TOUGH LUCK. Sucks to be you, pay for your own medical bills and your own busted ass car.
Thing is, insurance premiums run on averages and statistics. If insurance company pays out X a year than their intake has to be Y to cover that. Someone doesn't wear a seatbelt and gets ejected out of the side of his car in a crash costs... a lot. Insurance premiums for everyone pays for this. Like it or not, it's how it works. I, personally, would rather the insurance company NOT pay for that person. They clearly don't care about their own life, why should the insurance company?
If people want to be accountable, they should be left to be accountable. Too cool to follow rules? No problem, pay for that new face yourself!
Thing is, insurance premiums run on averages and statistics. If insurance company pays out X a year than their intake has to be Y to cover that. Someone doesn't wear a seatbelt and gets ejected out of the side of his car in a crash costs... a lot. Insurance premiums for everyone pays for this. Like it or not, it's how it works. I, personally, would rather the insurance company NOT pay for that person. They clearly don't care about their own life, why should the insurance company?
If people want to be accountable, they should be left to be accountable. Too cool to follow rules? No problem, pay for that new face yourself!
12-23-2008, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dirksqjaw' post='751158' date='Dec 23 2008, 02:39 AM
I rather like how UAE deals with the seatbelt issue. It's technically the law, and if you get flashed (speed cameras) while speeding and aren't wearing a seatbelt, you could get a fine, but ultimately they don't care. Same with child seats - Most people don't use them here (with some exceptions). Deal is, though - if you get into an accident and you weren't wearing a seatbelt, TOUGH LUCK. Sucks to be you, pay for your own medical bills and your own busted ass car.
Thing is, insurance premiums run on averages and statistics. If insurance company pays out X a year than their intake has to be Y to cover that. Someone doesn't wear a seatbelt and gets ejected out of the side of his car in a crash costs... a lot. Insurance premiums for everyone pays for this. Like it or not, it's how it works. I, personally, would rather the insurance company NOT pay for that person. They clearly don't care about their own life, why should the insurance company?
If people want to be accountable, they should be left to be accountable. Too cool to follow rules? No problem, pay for that new face yourself!
Thing is, insurance premiums run on averages and statistics. If insurance company pays out X a year than their intake has to be Y to cover that. Someone doesn't wear a seatbelt and gets ejected out of the side of his car in a crash costs... a lot. Insurance premiums for everyone pays for this. Like it or not, it's how it works. I, personally, would rather the insurance company NOT pay for that person. They clearly don't care about their own life, why should the insurance company?
If people want to be accountable, they should be left to be accountable. Too cool to follow rules? No problem, pay for that new face yourself!
12-23-2008, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by advancedlogic' post='751333' date='Dec 23 2008, 09:04 PM
So what happens when that poor unsecured crumb snatcher (infant) goes smashing into the seat or dash...or launched out the window? Any penalties for parental stupidity?
It pisses me of to no end. I have to physically restrain my wife sometimes. This is not a good place to get out of the car and run up to locals at stop lights, yelling at them about their parenting... The child is an innocent victim to their stupidity. Sad thing is, you read about child deaths all the time, but still they hang their heads out the friggin window while sitting on their moms lap on the freeway.
National Day was insane, people were sitting on their roofs of their SUV's, legs dangling through their moonroof, cruising around the streets while holding infants. Oh well, what can you do. I'll never understand.
12-23-2008, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dirksqjaw' post='751526' date='Dec 23 2008, 04:18 PM
Besides losing their child? I'm not sure, they aren't explicit about that. Considering honor killings still happen here on occasion .. who knows. I'm sure they'd get hit with the fine for not having a car seat. But maybe they'd consider the grease stain that use to be the persons baby as punishment enough.
It pisses me of to no end. I have to physically restrain my wife sometimes. This is not a good place to get out of the car and run up to locals at stop lights, yelling at them about their parenting... The child is an innocent victim to their stupidity. Sad thing is, you read about child deaths all the time, but still they hang their heads out the friggin window while sitting on their moms lap on the freeway.
National Day was insane, people were sitting on their roofs of their SUV's, legs dangling through their moonroof, cruising around the streets while holding infants. Oh well, what can you do. I'll never understand.
It pisses me of to no end. I have to physically restrain my wife sometimes. This is not a good place to get out of the car and run up to locals at stop lights, yelling at them about their parenting... The child is an innocent victim to their stupidity. Sad thing is, you read about child deaths all the time, but still they hang their heads out the friggin window while sitting on their moms lap on the freeway.
National Day was insane, people were sitting on their roofs of their SUV's, legs dangling through their moonroof, cruising around the streets while holding infants. Oh well, what can you do. I'll never understand.
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12-23-2008, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by advancedlogic' post='751333' date='Dec 24 2008, 01:04 AM
So what happens when that poor unsecured crumb snatcher (infant) goes smashing into the seat or dash...or launched out the window? Any penalties for parental stupidity?
