Are Runflats to blame for poor grip in damp conditions?
12-27-2006, 03:42 PM
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My re mapped 530D (272hp, 590Nm) is very difficult when flooring it in damp conditions. Even with DSC etc all on it loses traction in the wet and feels unstable when I floor it. Have I got too much torque or do I need normal tyres (or 4 wheel drive)
Help, I am on a track day in 3 weeks and it is bound to be wet - got 6K miles on the tyres
Help, I am on a track day in 3 weeks and it is bound to be wet - got 6K miles on the tyres
12-27-2006, 04:26 PM
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Several articles on tires. This one on RFTs would lead one to conclude yes, worse. But I believe you must evaluate specific tires and not generalize. My Bridgestones are very good, but perhaps not the ultimate.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...26850&hl=tires
Do search on "tires" in Press Articles and Your Comments.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...26850&hl=tires
Do search on "tires" in Press Articles and Your Comments.
12-27-2006, 07:18 PM
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i have 3k miles on my current set of dunlop RFTs - absolutely worst tires i've ever driven in the rain with before. not even spirited driving....i'm talking just red light to red light and 40mph crusing on nyc highways in the rain.
puddles - Forgeddaboutit!
these tires aquaplane like a rubber ducky and i'm constantly fighting the steering wheel. had 3 or 4 close calls with the wall and cars next to me the other night.
i'm taking the subway the next time it rains hard here...
puddles - Forgeddaboutit!
these tires aquaplane like a rubber ducky and i'm constantly fighting the steering wheel. had 3 or 4 close calls with the wall and cars next to me the other night.
i'm taking the subway the next time it rains hard here...
12-27-2006, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='371668' date='Dec 28 2006, 04:18 AM
i have 3k miles on my current set of dunlop RFTs - absolutely worst tires i've ever driven in the rain with before. not even spirited driving....i'm talking just red light to red light and 40mph crusing on nyc highways in the rain.
puddles - Forgeddaboutit!
these tires aquaplane like a rubber ducky and i'm constantly fighting the steering wheel. had 3 or 4 close calls with the wall and cars next to me the other night.
i'm taking the subway the next time it rains hard here...
puddles - Forgeddaboutit!
these tires aquaplane like a rubber ducky and i'm constantly fighting the steering wheel. had 3 or 4 close calls with the wall and cars next to me the other night.
i'm taking the subway the next time it rains hard here...
The Goodyear Eagle NCTs behaved flawlessly throughout.
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12-28-2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='371727' date='Dec 28 2006, 08:46 AM
On a recent visit to France with about 6k miles on the tyres we had what I can only describe as "Hollywood Movie Rain" for about three hours.
The Goodyear Eagle NCTs behaved flawlessly throughout.
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The Goodyear Eagle NCTs behaved flawlessly throughout.
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A recent AutoExpress 'review' of Runflats reckoned that Runflats were actually safer in the wet than non-runflats.
(Headline was maybe more expensive but could save your life...)
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there have been lots of complaints about RFTs in wet and cold condititon, i cant really judge the tyres as we dont get alot of rain here. but on a dry track day, the RFT will perform amazingly. they are better than non-RFT tyres in fast cornering, because of there stiff sidewall...
i think most complaints about the RFTs grip come as the weather gets colder....
i think most complaints about the RFTs grip come as the weather gets colder....
12-28-2006, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='371729' date='Dec 28 2006, 09:17 AM
It's quite bizarre but I think it's more to do with the tyre tread itself rather than runflat/non-runflat. I thought the Dunlop RF's I had were dangerous in the wet but my Michelin PS2's (not best in the wet) are a revelation.
A recent AutoExpress 'review' of Runflats reckoned that Runflats were actually safer in the wet than non-runflats. (Headline was maybe more expensive but could save your life...)
A recent AutoExpress 'review' of Runflats reckoned that Runflats were actually safer in the wet than non-runflats.
(Headline was maybe more expensive but could save your life...)http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr..._tyre_test.html
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/products/203239/runflat_tyre_test.html
Its personal choice at the end of the day, some of us will use Runflats and put up with the less than average ride quality (my car has comfort seats so I am isolated from the worst of the ride) but enjoy the benefits of the tyre technology.
Like AYBEESEA I have used these tyres in torrential rain and it felt nothing but sure footed and I wasn't going slowly. If you want to experience an unforgiving and hard ride try an X5 Sport (not SE) you would never complain about the ride quality of a Runflat even though I have in the past, I am beginning to accept the RF.
12-29-2006, 01:19 AM
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Bit more info worth a 30 second read.....................
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/20042006/244/run-f...mainstream.html
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/20042006/244/run-f...mainstream.html
12-29-2006, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jagman' post='372028' date='Dec 29 2006, 10:19 AM
Bit more info worth a 30 second read.....................
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/20042006/244/run-f...mainstream.html
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/20042006/244/run-f...mainstream.html
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I spun out and could have died on my runflats.
Switched to Michelins the next week.
Switched to Michelins the next week.