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With the cost of fuel being what it is right now (it is expensive by US standards at least) you can be pretty sure that BMW and others would make the most of the ability to run their cars on regular grade gasoline if was truly non-detrimental to the car's overall well-being. The bottom line is that BMW really doesn't have a dog in the fight, it's not like BMW or any other manufacturer is gaining any additional income or revenue by recomending premium. The car is designed to run on premium It has to adjust its timing to run with lower octane gasoline, and in doing so some performance potential is lost. Conversely, there is no benefit in going *above* the BMW recommendation. You can fill your tank with 100 but you won't notice any increase in performance. All people are saying is that there's no incentive for BMW to specify premium over regular if it were indeed true that regular works just fine. The reality is that the car can accommodate it, but that it not the same as it working optimally.
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With the cost of fuel being what it is right now (it is expensive by US standards at least) you can be pretty sure that BMW and others would make the most of the ability to run their cars on regular grade gasoline if was truly non-detrimental to the car's overall well-being. The bottom line is that BMW really doesn't have a dog in the fight, it's not like BMW or any other manufacturer is gaining any additional income or revenue by recomending premium. The car is designed to run on premium It has to adjust its timing to run with lower octane gasoline, and in doing so some performance potential is lost. Conversely, there is no benefit in going *above* the BMW recommendation. You can fill your tank with 100 but you won't notice any increase in performance. All people are saying is that there's no incentive for BMW to specify premium over regular if it were indeed true that regular works just fine. The reality is that the car can accommodate it, but that it not the same as it working optimally.
Some more reading:
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/...s_premium.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...tion-premium-g
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The first article actually says what we already established - there is no benefit in using a higher octane rating that the manufacturer recommends, and using a lower rating can impact performance.
I'm struggling to see any actual evidence in the second article to support the author's contention.
In the meantime, here is an article from Car & Driver that is perhaps much more on point.
The money quote:
"Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump"
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...emium_-feature
I'm struggling to see any actual evidence in the second article to support the author's contention.
In the meantime, here is an article from Car & Driver that is perhaps much more on point.
The money quote:
"Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump"
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...emium_-feature
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The first article actually says what we already established - there is no benefit in using a higher octane rating that the manufacturer recommends, and using a lower rating can impact performance.
I'm struggling to see any actual evidence in the second article to support the author's contention.
In the meantime, here is an article from Car & Driver that is perhaps much more on point.
The money quote:
"Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump"
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...emium_-feature
I'm struggling to see any actual evidence in the second article to support the author's contention.
In the meantime, here is an article from Car & Driver that is perhaps much more on point.
The money quote:
"Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump"
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...emium_-feature
Interestingly, even though the compression ratio is so high, "neither the BMW nor the Saab suffered any drivability problems while burning regular unleaded fuel." This statement bolsters my original claim that unless you are trying to wring out the last few percent of performance from your engine, using 87 will have no effect.
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That test uses the E46 M3, which has a compression ratio of 11.5:1, (the E60 M5 is 12.0:1, and the E60 530i is 10.2:1 by comparison). One would expect to see more dramatic losses in power from the M3 than from the OP's 530i. Also, we can all agree that there may be power loss from lower octane fuel, but since mpg is not tested in this article, it goes nowhere to further your point that the amount you save at the pump is outweighed by decreases in fuel economy.
Interestingly, even though the compression ratio is so high, "neither the BMW nor the Saab suffered any drivability problems while burning regular unleaded fuel." This statement bolsters my original claim that unless you are trying to wring out the last few percent of performance from your engine, using 87 will have no effect.
Interestingly, even though the compression ratio is so high, "neither the BMW nor the Saab suffered any drivability problems while burning regular unleaded fuel." This statement bolsters my original claim that unless you are trying to wring out the last few percent of performance from your engine, using 87 will have no effect.
You ultimately save very little, and you don't get the best out of your car - and these performance issues are, of course, acknowledged by BMW. These are not risks that have been pulled out of thin air. Simply put, we're literally talking $2 to $3 per tank difference in cost. That's not an appreciable saving. Your point seems to be that it doesn't matter because you can live with reduced performance. My point is that the cost difference isn't worth the risk and the trade off. Take these two together and you get to the heart of the matter, as I posted earlier A driver who is not interested in the former (performance) and worries about the latter (an additional cost of around $3 per tank) probably ought not to be in a BMW.
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In most places I've been in the US the price difference between regular and premium is 20 cents so that's only $3.60 savings at most per fill. Now I have seen some places with a lower luxury car population, like my hometown Birmingham, Al, where the difference was sometimes 40 cents or more which being at least $7.20 more seems a little more understanding. My belief goes with the majority who say if that little bit of money makes a difference overall maybe you shouldn't have the car to begin with, considering the expensive repair costs that goes with these cars.
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