Logic 7 bass & treble vs eq.
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After driving this car for over a year I just decided to adjust the bass and treble ( I turned them all the way up). I always thought that it was just an easier to use eq. and that if you adjusted them the system would not apply the eq. settings. The sound is way better with the bass & treb. turned up and the eq. adjusted.
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Originally Posted by VTbound' post='208315' date='Dec 7 2005, 10:51 AM
After driving this car for over a year I just decided to adjust the bass and treble ( I turned them all the way up). I always thought that it was just an easier to use eq. and that if you adjusted them the system would not apply the eq. settings. The sound is way better with the bass & treb. turned up and the eq. adjusted.
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I also had mine set to neutral and also had a "flattened u" eq setting. the bass and treble are independent of the eq settings and in my opinion increasing them greatly improves the quality of the sound. I know that this is subjective but nevertheless it gives you more control of the sound.
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Originally Posted by VTbound' post='208327' date='Dec 7 2005, 11:05 AM
I also had mine set to neutral and also had a "flattened u" eq setting. the bass and treble are independent of the eq settings and in my opinion increasing them greatly improves the quality of the sound. I know that this is subjective but nevertheless it gives you more control of the sound.
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After driving this car for over a year I just decided to adjust the bass and treble ( I turned them all the way up). I always thought that it was just an easier to use eq. and that if you adjusted them the system would not apply the eq. settings. The sound is way better with the bass & treb. turned up and the eq. adjusted.
This is nonsense. All you are doing is raising the effective volume. It's the same thing as turning the EQ settings all to max. You might as well just turn up your volume instead. It's the same thing.
The point of having independent control over different frequency bands in an EQ is to allow certain frequencies to be boosted/cut more than others. If you turn them all up to max, then you are boosting everything by the same amount... which is the exact same thing as leaving it flat, and turning up the volume.
Same is true for Bass/Treb controls. Those are just a less precise form of Equalizer... that's all.
Bass/Treb controls are basically for people who never turn the volume up very high at all. It's similar to the Loudness feature found on many portable music devices, like CD Walkmen. It boosts the bass ranges so that when you listen at low volume, there is a relative boost in the low-end which adds presence. But if you are listening at high volume, you want to avoid the Loudness feature... as it is no longer necessary when you turn up the volume to a good, loud level.
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This is nonsense. All you are doing is raising the effective volume. It's the same thing as turning the EQ settings all to max. You might as well just turn up your volume instead. It's the same thing.[quote]
Try it first then opine. In any case it is certainly not nonsense.
Try it first then opine. In any case it is certainly not nonsense.
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Originally Posted by subterFUSE' post='208347' date='Dec 7 2005, 05:04 PM
After driving this car for over a year I just decided to adjust the bass and treble ( I turned them all the way up). I always thought that it was just an easier to use eq. and that if you adjusted them the system would not apply the eq. settings. The sound is way better with the bass & treb. turned up and the eq. adjusted.
This is nonsense. All you are doing is raising the effective volume. It's the same thing as turning the EQ settings all to max. You might as well just turn up your volume instead. It's the same thing.
The point of having independent control over different frequency bands in an EQ is to allow certain frequencies to be boosted/cut more than others. If you turn them all up to max, then you are boosting everything by the same amount... which is the exact same thing as leaving it flat, and turning up the volume.
Same is true for Bass/Treb controls. Those are just a less precise form of Equalizer... that's all.
Bass/Treb controls are basically for people who never turn the volume up very high at all. It's similar to the Loudness feature found on many portable music devices, like CD Walkmen. It boosts the bass ranges so that when you listen at low volume, there is a relative boost in the low-end which adds presence. But if you are listening at high volume, you want to avoid the Loudness feature... as it is no longer necessary when you turn up the volume to a good, loud level.
I agree.
And the bottom line is by using an eq/bass/treble controls you are adding artificial colouration to the sound. Unless the source material is deficient in some way the most natural setting is to leave everything flat. I would like to have seen an option to switch out the eq. circuit altogther for the purist, but maybe it soesn't make a huge difference in the car environment.
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To my mind you should do whatever sounds good to you. If you like it, and to your ears the changes you make improve your listening experience, then surely it isn't nonsense.
Raises a couple of questions, though. Re the EQ, does that boost only the specific frequencies that are adjustable? If it does, then how can raising them equally be the same as adjusting the volume? There is a 10K cutoff so what about the other frequencies above/below the adjustable frequencies? Also, what about those that are in between the ones that are specifically adjustable using the EQ? Volume adjustment would surely increase sound pressure levels over all of the reproduced sound whereas the EQ would seem to be intended to boost or reduce specific frequency bands. If you boost all the EQ to the same level how does that impact the non-adjustable frequencies?
Raises a couple of questions, though. Re the EQ, does that boost only the specific frequencies that are adjustable? If it does, then how can raising them equally be the same as adjusting the volume? There is a 10K cutoff so what about the other frequencies above/below the adjustable frequencies? Also, what about those that are in between the ones that are specifically adjustable using the EQ? Volume adjustment would surely increase sound pressure levels over all of the reproduced sound whereas the EQ would seem to be intended to boost or reduce specific frequency bands. If you boost all the EQ to the same level how does that impact the non-adjustable frequencies?
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Can turning up the volume too loud, or adjusting the equalizer settings too high, cause damage to the speakers. Or does the system have a cut off if its too loud. I find that sometimes, I would like to turn it up and it sounds like it can handle it, but I am afraid of damaging the system?
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I had a friend of mine configure my setting since I'm not a audio fanatic (he is). He spend about 1.5 hours in my car trying to get the best sound (to his ears and experience) . He said that the Logic 7 lacks some other crucial setting as 150mhs, etc. He did what he could and Very happy with the results. For the record he has an E39 with an upgraded stero system and speakers(cross overs, 2 amplifiers, etc,etc)
So get a friend that knows this stuff and ask him to tune it for you....
So get a friend that knows this stuff and ask him to tune it for you....
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