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Old 12-08-2009, 01:22 PM
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It all has to do with the supercilious,arrogant,stuck up,contemptuous, attitudes of most of the staffing at the dealerships. The service departments are the worst offenders. They think we want something for nothing,rather than what we are entitled to under warranties and service agreements.
The sales staff are usually nice because we are purchasing and they work on commission.
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I can't believe Saab even made the list. I dont think I've ever actually met anyone tha drives a Saab.
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Originally Posted by kgmccarthy' post='1070556' date='Dec 8 2009, 09:08 PM
I can't believe Saab even made the list. I dont think I've ever actually met anyone tha drives a Saab.
My last two vehicles were Saabs. The sales and service was fine except for one asshole salesman.
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Originally Posted by aland' post='1070546' date='Dec 8 2009, 08:43 PM
It all has to do with the supercilious,arrogant,stuck up,contemptuous, attitudes of most of the staffing at the dealerships. The service departments are the worst offenders. They think we want something for nothing,rather than what we are entitled to under warranties and service agreements.
The sales staff are usually nice because we are purchasing and they work on commission.
Couldnt have said it better.
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HPFP, wastegate, turbo issues also could have some thing to do with this...
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The 2009 Audi's are really making a good impression..

Jag leading.. that makes the XF even more attractive
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I think we need to keep in mind the buyers of these brands. I figure most people stepping into a Caddy are coming from a Chevy, so yes, they will will be MUCH happier with their new Cadillac than they were with their old Chevy. BMW buyers (and I am one) are more picky about their cars and typically have much more discerning tastes than some other buyers, same for MB. Jag has made huge strides in the design of their cars, but let's face facts =- wasn't the X-type basically a restyled Mondeo? Wasn't the S-Type a restyled Taurus? Let's be real here.
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Originally Posted by aland' post='1070546
HPFP, wastegate, turbo issues also could have some thing to do with this...

Originally Posted by pjinca' post='1070862' date='Dec 9 2009, 11:45 AM
I think we need to keep in mind the buyers of these brands. I figure most people stepping into a Caddy are coming from a Chevy, so yes, they will will be MUCH happier with their new Cadillac than they were with their old Chevy. BMW buyers (and I am one) are more picky about their cars and typically have much more discerning tastes than some other buyers, same for MB. Jag has made huge strides in the design of their cars, but let's face facts =- wasn't the X-type basically a restyled Mondeo? Wasn't the S-Type a restyled Taurus? Let's be real here.
I think you all missed what the survey is about. It's not about service, it's not about reliability or HPFPs. It's about the sales experience and apparently the BMW sales experience does not compare favorably to Jaguar or Cadillac. How many of you have complained that dealers sometime take months to deliver, or deliver the wrong options, or won't deal down, etc.? This is what they are talking about.


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