High Pressure Fuel Pump Fail!
07-16-2007, 04:17 PM
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1. Is there a BMW service bulletin on these failing pumps?
2. Any advice from those who had this problem before me?
3. How much work and how invasive is removing the manifold, especially as the car has just 300kms and I dont want it as damaged (goods).
Hey Lads:
Well as I first read on this forum and after 14 days in the shop I received a call that it was (as I suspected and asked them on July 2nd) the High Pressure Fuel Pump that failed.
One is being sourced in the USA and if not available will come from Germany. I asked why they can't take from a recent delivery (not ordered but for sale) and was told the operation takes 5 hours due to its location behind the manifold. As a last result they will take one from their cars.
I will add that the staff at BMW Toronto have been great and have treated me very well with a 535 loaner and daily calls.
Wednesday 11th and car still not fixed (9 days in shop..). The computer is called a DME and now someone from BMW HQ needs to come and program a code so that it will communicate with the turbo engine. This is the first time this dealership (BMW Toronto) have ever seen this so it's been a huge learning curve, especially as the LCI 5 series needs a special DME code to communicate with whatever it speaks too.
I have asked, but it appears no one on these forums works or knows about the DME engine computer - right?
Dealer called this aft, and unfortunately the new (FedEx from Germany) main computer was loaded, work perfectly and ... bingo the same engine check light came on (I am told). Anyone else had the same issue ref the engine fault light (along with a reduce power message on the LCD). At lease I have a loaner 535i - but for sure want my three day old back only has 300 km on the clock.
Update: A new main computer was shipped from Germany this week; it comes pre-loaded but needs 6 hours for the dealer to load modules from the other applications. I can?t remember the name they called it. It was three letters.
I should have my car back on Tuesday latest. I am told this is the first time a LCI had had this problem and is not related to anything to do with the engine or fuel pump. Cannot wait as I only had the car for three days!!
quote name='spike' date='Jul 5 2007, 09:11 PM' post='443887']
Yup, in my hands for four days it died on Tuesday of main engine computer failure.
The tale: Picked-up Thursday night 29JUN, on Saturday @ 6PM a flat tire on a long weekend (Canada Day) gave no possibilities of repair till this Tuesday. Tuesday morning off to Toronto BMW and as a ?drop in? they did a very good job and impressing me with service.
Now the kicker! Happily driving from BMW to work the engine check logo came on, a chime and immediate loss of engine power. Some message on the monitor said to reduce power. Called from work and back I went to the dealership.
Now its Thursday and the car won?t respond to the 2 new software uploads, so tomorrow a new computer is arriving and they will have to reload all the programs.
Loaner is a 535i, not too many options, after four years of all wheel drive experience I don?t much like the rear wheel drive, especially in slippery roads + the xi feels more solid. I will keep you up to date as it unfolds ?
Anyone else with this computer issue?
1. Is there a BMW service bulletin on these failing pumps?
2. Any advice from those who had this problem before me?
3. How much work and how invasive is removing the manifold, especially as the car has just 300kms and I dont want it as damaged (goods).
Hey Lads:
Well as I first read on this forum and after 14 days in the shop I received a call that it was (as I suspected and asked them on July 2nd) the High Pressure Fuel Pump that failed.
One is being sourced in the USA and if not available will come from Germany. I asked why they can't take from a recent delivery (not ordered but for sale) and was told the operation takes 5 hours due to its location behind the manifold. As a last result they will take one from their cars.
I will add that the staff at BMW Toronto have been great and have treated me very well with a 535 loaner and daily calls.
Wednesday 11th and car still not fixed (9 days in shop..). The computer is called a DME and now someone from BMW HQ needs to come and program a code so that it will communicate with the turbo engine. This is the first time this dealership (BMW Toronto) have ever seen this so it's been a huge learning curve, especially as the LCI 5 series needs a special DME code to communicate with whatever it speaks too.
I have asked, but it appears no one on these forums works or knows about the DME engine computer - right?
Dealer called this aft, and unfortunately the new (FedEx from Germany) main computer was loaded, work perfectly and ... bingo the same engine check light came on (I am told). Anyone else had the same issue ref the engine fault light (along with a reduce power message on the LCD). At lease I have a loaner 535i - but for sure want my three day old back only has 300 km on the clock.
Update: A new main computer was shipped from Germany this week; it comes pre-loaded but needs 6 hours for the dealer to load modules from the other applications. I can?t remember the name they called it. It was three letters.
I should have my car back on Tuesday latest. I am told this is the first time a LCI had had this problem and is not related to anything to do with the engine or fuel pump. Cannot wait as I only had the car for three days!!
quote name='spike' date='Jul 5 2007, 09:11 PM' post='443887']
Yup, in my hands for four days it died on Tuesday of main engine computer failure.
The tale: Picked-up Thursday night 29JUN, on Saturday @ 6PM a flat tire on a long weekend (Canada Day) gave no possibilities of repair till this Tuesday. Tuesday morning off to Toronto BMW and as a ?drop in? they did a very good job and impressing me with service.
Now the kicker! Happily driving from BMW to work the engine check logo came on, a chime and immediate loss of engine power. Some message on the monitor said to reduce power. Called from work and back I went to the dealership.
Now its Thursday and the car won?t respond to the 2 new software uploads, so tomorrow a new computer is arriving and they will have to reload all the programs.
Loaner is a 535i, not too many options, after four years of all wheel drive experience I don?t much like the rear wheel drive, especially in slippery roads + the xi feels more solid. I will keep you up to date as it unfolds ?
Anyone else with this computer issue?
07-17-2007, 05:33 AM
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Spike,
Youll find about 12 of us on these forums with the same problem. Mines been off the road for 5 weeks now. in fact thats twice as long as the car was old when it broke down.
from what i can tell from shouting alot, BMW have a major fault, every E60 rolling off the production line has a % chance the pump is out of spec. They are looking at the supplier to sort it who i am sure is going through a redesign as we speak, but no one any where will tell you a date when a fix or a part will be around.
Youll find about 12 of us on these forums with the same problem. Mines been off the road for 5 weeks now. in fact thats twice as long as the car was old when it broke down.
from what i can tell from shouting alot, BMW have a major fault, every E60 rolling off the production line has a % chance the pump is out of spec. They are looking at the supplier to sort it who i am sure is going through a redesign as we speak, but no one any where will tell you a date when a fix or a part will be around.
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Are these issues related?
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=40601
BMW seems to keep quiet as dealer knows nothing other than there has been some faulty injectors.
Some say that it is caused by a bad design, others say that it is a bad batch of injectors. Now I hear that it could be the HP fuel pump!?
Isn't it about time that BMW did some talking!!?
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=40601
BMW seems to keep quiet as dealer knows nothing other than there has been some faulty injectors.
Some say that it is caused by a bad design, others say that it is a bad batch of injectors. Now I hear that it could be the HP fuel pump!?
Isn't it about time that BMW did some talking!!?
07-17-2007, 06:42 AM
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A friend of mine that's a master tech at bmw said there were alot of these fuel pump problems with the e60s. He said the best thing to prevent this is to fill up before the gas tank light comes on not sure if that helps, but it's worth a try. 
07-17-2007, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by r9ndy' post='448893' date='Jul 17 2007, 04:42 PM
A friend of mine that's a master tech at bmw said there were alot of these fuel pump problems with the e60s. He said the best thing to prevent this is to fill up before the gas tank light comes on not sure if that helps, but it's worth a try.
I'm very curious about when and how BMW will act about these issues. Change of fuel pump, change of injectors and MAYBE catalytic converters that may have been damaged through this.
Ahhm, It seems that the biggest fault lies with the QA...(Quality Assurance)
07-17-2007, 01:24 PM
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Do feel sorry for you guys, but not for spike, he's driving a 535i all the time 
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There's a definite problem that the BMW guys need to find out before their holidays begin in August...
.There's a definite problem that the BMW guys need to find out before their holidays begin in August...
07-17-2007, 05:15 PM
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Hey Spike, there is a whole write up on this. I'll look for the post and put it on here for you to read.
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07-17-2007, 05:18 PM
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On order: 535xi Platnium Grey with Black interior, Step Auto, Sports package, Premium package, Cold weather package, 18" wheels, Logic 7, Comfort access, ipod adapt, Navigation, Sat radio, Rear spoiler, Extended Clear coat bra.
Here is one of posts:
may 18th post:
I bought the 535xi 2008 in the beginning of the month and already have a problem with the new electronic gear shift. The problem is when I was parked and attempted to put the car in drive the shifter would not allow me to put it in gear, similar to not pressing the brake and attempting to put it in gear. I had to second guess myself so I did it again and sure as %$@ the gear would not go back into drive. So I put it in reverse and then try to put it and drive then it worked. I did this several times and there is definately a problem with the shifter. I called BMW service and spoke to the manager and brought the car in this morning. The shop manager checked my car and noticed the problem. He told me he was going to put it on the computer and see if there was anything wrong with it. I waited and after a while he came back and told me that the computer did not find anything wrong with it and he would have to call BMW in Germany and have them send detailed information on the shifter and what may cause this problem. He said that the car is to new and they don't have any information readily available. He further stated that the shifter may need to be replaced and they will have to get it from Germany. Is this common with new cars or is it just mine? I mean somepart going bad so soon. Already a wheel allignment and now this.
I haven't even enjoyed my car.. So far I have 1300 miles on it. I drove it to Virginia from NY and Back. That's how I noticed it needed some allignment.
Thoughts, Comments anything I can get. Am I making a big deal out of nothing?
Rick...
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June 17th post:
2nd time Vehicle starts only after several attempts:-(
This is the second time this happens to me. I have a 2008 535XI no comfort access.
I was visiting my friend for fathers day and parked the car. About 3 hours later I decided to leave and went into my car and tried to start it. It turned over but it did not start. I tried it again several times. I then waited a couple of minutes and tried it again and it still would not start. I closed everything locked it and waited 5 minutes. I opened it again and after 2 or 3 attempts it started.
This happened to me last week while I was in Capemay. At one point I thought I had to call roadside for help. Has this happened to anyone else and it so what was the final outcome and the reason BMW gave for this to happen? I hate to call the service department again for another problem. I had a 2002 525I and that one did not give me so many problems.
Thanks Guys, Rick....
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June 18th post
May have answer to stall start on 2008xi
OK boys this is what I was told by my service rep. He just called me and told me that he spoke to the shop manager and explained what my car is experiencing. The shop manager stated that he has heard this before on the 06+2007 models but not the 2008's or so called LCI. He stated that it's a PRESSURE PUMP and that it's on national back order. It will not be available for 3 weeks. He further stated to monitor the situation and if it occurs again then I could bring it in to verify that this is the case and of course they will accommodate me with a loaner.
That's what I call service but i'm still a little dissapointed because it's a brand new car. At least I have an answer. Incase anyone is wondering the car is not shaking and there is no lost of power. That rules out the injectors.
Rick....
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A recent post and answer to another members problem
Spike I feel your pain. I too was in somewhat of a bad situation when I bought my car. I also own a 535xi and have been to the dealer several times for several issues. I will not go into detail but i'll briefly describe the issues with my car. The first problem was a wheel alignment, the steering wheel was off center to the right just a little but noticible. Brought it in twice for that. Second the shifter,yes, the park,drive, shifter went bad. That was on national back order for 2 weeks. That was replaced and now it's the pressure pump for the fuel. Once in awhile the car won't start and requires several attempts to start it. The story is relly long but i'm giving you the short version. That part is also on national back order for 2 to 3 weeks. I know how you feel , hang in there.
Rick... fcuk.gif
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Hope this helps.. I currently on the donors list, what I call it, for the part. There are a couple of steps your car has to go through before they cam open whats called a PUMA case and BMW Germany approves the part to be shipped for replacement. Currently the part is on national back order for the entire nation.
Good luck and hang in there.. twoup.gif
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From what I heard it is a design flaw and BMW is racing to redesign a new pump for our cars. I've been waiting for one for a month.
may 18th post:
I bought the 535xi 2008 in the beginning of the month and already have a problem with the new electronic gear shift. The problem is when I was parked and attempted to put the car in drive the shifter would not allow me to put it in gear, similar to not pressing the brake and attempting to put it in gear. I had to second guess myself so I did it again and sure as %$@ the gear would not go back into drive. So I put it in reverse and then try to put it and drive then it worked. I did this several times and there is definately a problem with the shifter. I called BMW service and spoke to the manager and brought the car in this morning. The shop manager checked my car and noticed the problem. He told me he was going to put it on the computer and see if there was anything wrong with it. I waited and after a while he came back and told me that the computer did not find anything wrong with it and he would have to call BMW in Germany and have them send detailed information on the shifter and what may cause this problem. He said that the car is to new and they don't have any information readily available. He further stated that the shifter may need to be replaced and they will have to get it from Germany. Is this common with new cars or is it just mine? I mean somepart going bad so soon. Already a wheel allignment and now this.
I haven't even enjoyed my car.. So far I have 1300 miles on it. I drove it to Virginia from NY and Back. That's how I noticed it needed some allignment.
Thoughts, Comments anything I can get. Am I making a big deal out of nothing?
Rick...
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June 17th post:
2nd time Vehicle starts only after several attempts:-(
This is the second time this happens to me. I have a 2008 535XI no comfort access.
I was visiting my friend for fathers day and parked the car. About 3 hours later I decided to leave and went into my car and tried to start it. It turned over but it did not start. I tried it again several times. I then waited a couple of minutes and tried it again and it still would not start. I closed everything locked it and waited 5 minutes. I opened it again and after 2 or 3 attempts it started.
This happened to me last week while I was in Capemay. At one point I thought I had to call roadside for help. Has this happened to anyone else and it so what was the final outcome and the reason BMW gave for this to happen? I hate to call the service department again for another problem. I had a 2002 525I and that one did not give me so many problems.
Thanks Guys, Rick....
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June 18th post
May have answer to stall start on 2008xi
OK boys this is what I was told by my service rep. He just called me and told me that he spoke to the shop manager and explained what my car is experiencing. The shop manager stated that he has heard this before on the 06+2007 models but not the 2008's or so called LCI. He stated that it's a PRESSURE PUMP and that it's on national back order. It will not be available for 3 weeks. He further stated to monitor the situation and if it occurs again then I could bring it in to verify that this is the case and of course they will accommodate me with a loaner.
That's what I call service but i'm still a little dissapointed because it's a brand new car. At least I have an answer. Incase anyone is wondering the car is not shaking and there is no lost of power. That rules out the injectors.
Rick....
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A recent post and answer to another members problem
Spike I feel your pain. I too was in somewhat of a bad situation when I bought my car. I also own a 535xi and have been to the dealer several times for several issues. I will not go into detail but i'll briefly describe the issues with my car. The first problem was a wheel alignment, the steering wheel was off center to the right just a little but noticible. Brought it in twice for that. Second the shifter,yes, the park,drive, shifter went bad. That was on national back order for 2 weeks. That was replaced and now it's the pressure pump for the fuel. Once in awhile the car won't start and requires several attempts to start it. The story is relly long but i'm giving you the short version. That part is also on national back order for 2 to 3 weeks. I know how you feel , hang in there.
Rick... fcuk.gif
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Hope this helps.. I currently on the donors list, what I call it, for the part. There are a couple of steps your car has to go through before they cam open whats called a PUMA case and BMW Germany approves the part to be shipped for replacement. Currently the part is on national back order for the entire nation.
Good luck and hang in there.. twoup.gif
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From what I heard it is a design flaw and BMW is racing to redesign a new pump for our cars. I've been waiting for one for a month.
07-18-2007, 04:47 AM
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In Germany, we have this problems with the HP fuel pump, too. My car (530i) stopped at 5100 km.
Here the german forums to this problem
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/showthrea...threadid=195605
http://www.motor-talk.de/t1521015/f278/s/thread.html
http://www.motor-talk.de/t1521119/f278/s/thread.html
Greetings from Wasserstoff
Here the german forums to this problem
http://www.auto-treff.com/bmw/vb/showthrea...threadid=195605
http://www.motor-talk.de/t1521015/f278/s/thread.html
http://www.motor-talk.de/t1521119/f278/s/thread.html
Greetings from Wasserstoff