Originally Posted by akirax' date='Dec 4 2004, 03:27 AM

sometimes i wonder if im aware of all these bmw issues is because i read a bmw board, in other words my perception of other cars like lexus, honda, ford, etc is that they are to a certain extent reliable, yes they have problems but if it were to the degree of the bmw issues it seems you would hear about it in the news, media, etc.? and because more people drive hondas then people driving bmws, you dont hear about it. sure there are recalls but not to the extent as to the numbers of software updates seen by e60 owners.

i wonder what exists on other boards such as lexus, honda, or ford.
sure the bmw's are complex cars, but all theses issues that are discussed on this board PROVE that there is no quality assurance process being applied to these software updates.

im not reading that e60s are having massive hardware failures(yet it does happen, CCC, MASK modules, etc) im reading that a lot of these issues stem from software being upgraded, things that were working are no longer working

How long does it take a BMW development team to compile new code, upload it to 2 525s, 2 530s, and 2 545s,(MINIMUM),? with one manual, one automatic, and field test each of these cars for a period of 2weeks and compare findings with known/existing issues before releasing the software to dealers???? and of course if any issues are found during the field, those findings get sent back to the s/w dev team and retested??? WHATS THE PROBLEM?

There are others forms of hardware/software combinations that are a lot more complex than the system running in a BMW, try a passenger Jet, a vehicle that transports people back and forth between cities on a daily basis. Can you imagine an issue where a passenger jet crashes because the radar software failed due to a recent software update to navigation system??

how about the software running on $250K Virtual Hard Disk Storage Array?
or
the sotware running in a $1,500 Cisco Router? talkabout multiple massive software revision families, but yet each version is extensively tested before they label it as mature, yes on a $1,500.00 router!!!!

If these issues continue by the time i buy my R6, I won't feel bad asking for $7k off of sticker price, they can say no, but i wont feel bad asking....if i gotta beta test bmw software upgrades, they will have to pay me up front...

I try and stay positive looking forward to owning my first bmw, it aint easy....