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03-08-2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by m630' date='Mar 9 2005, 02:40 AM
it has to be very shortly now when the new engines are put in... thats when US model year will change, and i think they will be shown at NYIAS, its only a few weeks away
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03-08-2005, 04:59 PM
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If the VIN year digit on a car has a "6" it will be a 2006 MY car for all regulatory and commercial purposes here in the U.S. I appreciate that things are different elsewhere but that's all the counts here in the land of crappy roads and onerous speed limits. I don't like the lamed brain system either but it is what it is.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
The MY doesn't change yet. MY changes in September.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Mar 8 2005, 06:51 PM
[quote name='m630' date='Mar 9 2005, 02:40 AM']it has to be very shortly now when the new engines are put in... thats when US model year will change, and i think they will be shown at NYIAS, its only a few weeks away
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03-08-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 02:59 AM
If the VIN year digit on a car has a "6" it will be a 2006 MY car for all regulatory and commercial purposes here in the U.S. I appreciate that things are different elsewhere but that's all the counts here in the land of crappy roads and onerous speed limits. I don't like the lamed brain system either but it is what it is.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
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Let's take a closer look at it:
Production of the E60 started 2003. It was officially released in July 5th, 2003. September 2004 the MY changed, in March 2004 a lot of features that were unavailable before,were added... This didn't made E60's built from March04 - September04 MY05's. And those were things like nav, that got added. So why the heck do you think the new features will make it MY06? BMW has changed stuff in March over the past years and didn't changed MY.
I really don't care what somebody at BMWNA says for marketing reasons. MY changes in the factory, and those changes are made in September...
03-08-2005, 05:31 PM
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I'm not saying that new features make a new model year. Running changes (like the Week 9 ones) happen all the time. All I'm saying is that if BMW (or BMWNA in this case) decided to sell the new 525i/530i as 2006's because of CAFE issues or just plain marketing if the cars have a "6" in the 10th position of the VIN they are 2006 model year cars for our purposes. To discuss them as 2005's, again within the conext of the U.S., would only be confusing.
Our definitions of model year simply differ and we'll need to allow for that ambiguity when discussing it.
OK ok ok...
Let's take a closer look at it:
Production of the E60 started 2003. It was officially released in July 5th, 2003. September 2004 the MY changed, in March 2004 a lot of features that were unavailable before,were added... This didn't made E60's built from March04 - September04 MY05's. And those were things like nav, that got added. So why the heck do you think the new features will make it MY06? BMW has changed stuff in March over the past years and didn't changed MY.
I really don't care what somebody at BMWNA says for marketing reasons. MY changes in the factory, and those changes are made in September...
Our definitions of model year simply differ and we'll need to allow for that ambiguity when discussing it.
Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Mar 8 2005, 07:21 PM
[quote name='5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 02:59 AM']If the VIN year digit on a car has a "6" it will be a 2006 MY car for all regulatory and commercial purposes here in the U.S. I appreciate that things are different elsewhere but that's all the counts here in the land of crappy roads and onerous speed limits. I don't like the lamed brain system either but it is what it is.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
Now all we need is a U.S.-spec car so we can look at the VIN.
Perhaps going forward we need to clarify some arbitrary "BMW Model Year" as that which is associated only with some date in September and a "U.S. Market/Regulatory Model Year" as that which is determined by BMW's decision or obligation as defined by U.S. regulation.
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Let's take a closer look at it:
Production of the E60 started 2003. It was officially released in July 5th, 2003. September 2004 the MY changed, in March 2004 a lot of features that were unavailable before,were added... This didn't made E60's built from March04 - September04 MY05's. And those were things like nav, that got added. So why the heck do you think the new features will make it MY06? BMW has changed stuff in March over the past years and didn't changed MY.
I really don't care what somebody at BMWNA says for marketing reasons. MY changes in the factory, and those changes are made in September...
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03-08-2005, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 03:31 AM
Our definitions of model year simply differ and we'll need to allow for that ambiguity when discussing it.
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03-08-2005, 06:01 PM
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Your defintion of model year is not the same as the legal definition that we go by AND use here. That's how they are different. Europe does not use the year digit in the VIN so you guys can keep calling them 2005 and we'll call them 2006. That's why the ETK does not embody the idea of model year at all. It relies on the month/year of manufacture which is only sensible. The reality is that even your concept of model year is a fiction that is based on an arbitrary date that traditionally has been associated with change overs. It's quite possible that the 2005 (August) and 2006 (October) 525i/530i cars in Europe will not be different from each other except from a marketing perspective.
How can the MY differ? The factory changes the MY, not a marketing guy at BMWNA...
Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Mar 8 2005, 07:38 PM
[quote name='5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 03:31 AM']Our definitions of model year simply differ and we'll need to allow for that ambiguity when discussing it.
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03-08-2005, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:01 AM
It's quite possible that the 2005 (August) and 2006 (October) 525i/530i cars in Europe will not be different from each other except from a marketing perspective.
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But anyways, what happens in September 2005 then? Is this beginning of MY07 then?
03-08-2005, 06:21 PM
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No. A 2007 model year vehicle can't be sold in the U.S. until Jan. 1, 2006. Makes it easy that way. Any change introduced in September would be running changes as far as the U.S. is concerned.
Note, I am not saying that model year 2006 will start now, in September, or next January. I don't know and won't until I see either BMWNA documentation or a car. What I've been trying to convey is that model year 2006 for the U.S. will start when the first U.S.-spec car with a "6" in the 10th position of the VIN shows up. Model year 2006 for elsewhere will start whenever that regional subsidary of BMW decides.
Thanks for helping me run up my post count.
They are.
But anyways, what happens in September 2005 then? Is this beginning of MY07 then?
Note, I am not saying that model year 2006 will start now, in September, or next January. I don't know and won't until I see either BMWNA documentation or a car. What I've been trying to convey is that model year 2006 for the U.S. will start when the first U.S.-spec car with a "6" in the 10th position of the VIN shows up. Model year 2006 for elsewhere will start whenever that regional subsidary of BMW decides.
Thanks for helping me run up my post count.
Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Mar 8 2005, 08:07 PM
[quote name='5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:01 AM']It's quite possible that the 2005 (August) and 2006 (October) 525i/530i cars in Europe will not be different from each other except from a marketing perspective.
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But anyways, what happens in September 2005 then? Is this beginning of MY07 then?
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03-08-2005, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:21 AM
Thanks for helping me run up my post count.
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Thanks for entertaining me. It's in the middle of the night here in germany and the TV program is boring... And I'm not tired...
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Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Mar 8 2005, 07:24 PM
[quote name='5 Rakete' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:21 AM']Thanks for helping me run up my post count.
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Thanks for entertaining me. It's in the middle of the night here in germany and the TV program is boring... And I'm not tired...
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Hey JPL guy did you change your name? I swear it wasnt 5Rakete before... it was somthing else...