Can Replacing Run-Flats Damage Rims?
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A few weeks ago I had my run-flats removed and replaced them with Michellin PS2s at Costco. I noticed the service guy was having a tough time removing the run-flats and asked what's the problem. He told me that they are a pain in the ass to remove and they take much more effort and time to remove as opposed to regular tires. After the car was finished I entered a major highway and as soon as I hit 65 mph I felt a vibration coming from the front. The next day I took the car back to Costco and they re-balanced all four tires. As soon as I got back on the highway, I had the same problem. I then waited till after the holidays and took the car back yet again. This time the service tech called me in to show me that the right front rim had a small bend on the inner side. I told him I never had a problem with any kind of vibration before they touched the car. He said it was impossible for this to happen from the work that they did. My question is could this have happened buy them? I am 100% sure I had no vibrations before they touched the car, this is one thing I would immediately notice.
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Originally Posted by katheikia' post='380293' date='Jan 18 2007, 11:36 PM
A few weeks ago I had my run-flats removed and replaced them with Michellin PS2s at Costco. I noticed the service guy was having a tough time removing the run-flats and asked what's the problem. He told me that they are a pain in the ass to remove and they take much more effort and time to remove as opposed to regular tires. After the car was finished I entered a major highway and as soon as I hit 65 mph I felt a vibration coming from the front. The next day I took the car back to Costco and they re-balanced all four tires. As soon as I got back on the highway, I had the same problem. I then waited till after the holidays and took the car back yet again. This time the service tech called me in to show me that the right front rim had a small bend on the inner side. I told him I never had a problem with any kind of vibration before they touched the car. He said it was impossible for this to happen from the work that they did. My question is could this have happened buy them? I am 100% sure I had no vibrations before they touched the car, this is one thing I would immediately notice.
Tyre fitters need special equipment (and expertise) to work with run-flats and it is highly likely that the guy damaged your rim.
Many of them here are refusing to even work with RFTs because they are such a pain.
You might have a hard job proving that they did that damage but I think you should persevere.
Good luck!
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Sorry to hear about your problem. I believe it almost certainly happened as you describe. I recently had Blizzaks installed on my 124's, replacing the stock RFT's for winter use. I used the Tire Rack's approved installer locally. After 1.5 hours of waiting, they had swapped only ONE tire. They cited the extreme difficulty in dismounting the RFT's due to the shallowness of the wheel, sidewall stiffness of the RFT's, etc.......they didn't charge me but did scratch the wheel in the process. I then took my car (with one Blizzak and 3 RFT's) across the street to Discount Tire. They took care of the other three wheels, but dinged the other rear wheel in the process.
Bottom line: I called the Tire Rack and complained. They directed me to a local shop that uses only Hunter equipment for tire installations, the same as they do. This doesn't help you now but it does validate your suspicions that these RFT's are extremely difficult to deal with and that wheel damage is common.
Good luck.
Bottom line: I called the Tire Rack and complained. They directed me to a local shop that uses only Hunter equipment for tire installations, the same as they do. This doesn't help you now but it does validate your suspicions that these RFT's are extremely difficult to deal with and that wheel damage is common.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by katheikia' post='380293' date='Jan 18 2007, 06:36 PM
A few weeks ago I had my run-flats removed and replaced them with Michellin PS2s at Costco. I noticed the service guy was having a tough time removing the run-flats and asked what's the problem. He told me that they are a pain in the ass to remove and they take much more effort and time to remove as opposed to regular tires. After the car was finished I entered a major highway and as soon as I hit 65 mph I felt a vibration coming from the front. The next day I took the car back to Costco and they re-balanced all four tires. As soon as I got back on the highway, I had the same problem. I then waited till after the holidays and took the car back yet again. This time the service tech called me in to show me that the right front rim had a small bend on the inner side. I told him I never had a problem with any kind of vibration before they touched the car. He said it was impossible for this to happen from the work that they did. My question is could this have happened buy them? I am 100% sure I had no vibrations before they touched the car, this is one thing I would immediately notice.
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I had a recent wheel crack from a pot hole. When I went to have it replaced (new wheel and tire), it took 2 guys to get the old tire off the old wheel, just so they could get at the tire pressure monitors. And it took a LONG time for them to just get that tire off. Maybe a half hour for one wheel. They were digging those crow-bars into my old wheel like there was no tomorrow. They definitely did that to your wheel. No doubt about it. I'm sorry to hear about that. Hopefully, they will make it right for you.
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I'd like to propose another point of view...
I have RFT's and also have a small bend on the lip of one of my front rims. I do not feel any vibration. I attribute this to the extra stiff sidewall of the tire maintain its round shape.
So I'd have to say there is not real way of knowing when the bend happened unless they pointed it out during the original dismount.
I have RFT's and also have a small bend on the lip of one of my front rims. I do not feel any vibration. I attribute this to the extra stiff sidewall of the tire maintain its round shape.
So I'd have to say there is not real way of knowing when the bend happened unless they pointed it out during the original dismount.
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The inside bend is slight but it bends for about 8 inches...I dont think I can do anything about it with costco, its my word against theres, so I will have it repaired at the dealer for around $75.00...This kind of crap always happens to me, its never easy...
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I have two points to make here.
The first is changing tires is a hard job. Especially our small profile tires that we have and the RFTs. With this said my first job was working in a gas station that was well respected gas and service station in the area. While there I was amazed at the unethical actions of the owner there. This guy's mechanics destroyed many many tires and rims without the owners being any wiser. I would often contact the owners after the fact if I could.
Second I ran into a SA that had left my local BMW dealer who said the rims are really soft and prone to damage. He said to always be as careful as possible.
The first is changing tires is a hard job. Especially our small profile tires that we have and the RFTs. With this said my first job was working in a gas station that was well respected gas and service station in the area. While there I was amazed at the unethical actions of the owner there. This guy's mechanics destroyed many many tires and rims without the owners being any wiser. I would often contact the owners after the fact if I could.
Second I ran into a SA that had left my local BMW dealer who said the rims are really soft and prone to damage. He said to always be as careful as possible.
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Originally Posted by katheikia' post='380293' date='Jan 18 2007, 06:36 PM
A few weeks ago I had my run-flats removed and replaced them with Michellin PS2s at Costco. I noticed the service guy was having a tough time removing the run-flats and asked what's the problem. He told me that they are a pain in the ass to remove and they take much more effort and time to remove as opposed to regular tires. After the car was finished I entered a major highway and as soon as I hit 65 mph I felt a vibration coming from the front. The next day I took the car back to Costco and they re-balanced all four tires. As soon as I got back on the highway, I had the same problem. I then waited till after the holidays and took the car back yet again. This time the service tech called me in to show me that the right front rim had a small bend on the inner side. I told him I never had a problem with any kind of vibration before they touched the car. He said it was impossible for this to happen from the work that they did. My question is could this have happened buy them? I am 100% sure I had no vibrations before they touched the car, this is one thing I would immediately notice.
And then you go to costco to mess with Runflats?
I find that dealers are rather not very expensive to do the labor on tires. I have either had tire rack ship the to the dealer. They know the car and rims better than anyone!
Im saving money and getting the job done right.
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My experience is similar yours, katheikia. I can't prove it either, although I am in a slightly better position than you.
I bought my AUC 530d in November, and on the way home I too noticed a vibration at between 65 and 80mph. I assumed that it was a rear wheel out of balance, and didn't worry too much about it until I was passing my local tyre fitter in December, and decided to have the rears balanced. They duly took off the wheels and disappeared with them to the workshop, only to return a few minutes later, shaking heads and saying that they cannot balance wheels that aren't round!! The result is that I have two rear rims that have flats on them, on the inside edge. With a bit of thought I realised that the only way that it could happen was by poor tyre fitment. I complained to my dealer, citing safety concerns etc. He was good enough to stump up for two new wheels, which, by coincidence, are going to be fitted today!
So, the moral of the story is, when you throw away the RFT's, be very careful where you go.
I bought my AUC 530d in November, and on the way home I too noticed a vibration at between 65 and 80mph. I assumed that it was a rear wheel out of balance, and didn't worry too much about it until I was passing my local tyre fitter in December, and decided to have the rears balanced. They duly took off the wheels and disappeared with them to the workshop, only to return a few minutes later, shaking heads and saying that they cannot balance wheels that aren't round!! The result is that I have two rear rims that have flats on them, on the inside edge. With a bit of thought I realised that the only way that it could happen was by poor tyre fitment. I complained to my dealer, citing safety concerns etc. He was good enough to stump up for two new wheels, which, by coincidence, are going to be fitted today!
So, the moral of the story is, when you throw away the RFT's, be very careful where you go.