Bored: 2004 530i vs. 1999 M3
11-13-2006, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dlevi67' post='355558' date='Nov 13 2006, 04:57 PM
Well, it may be OK on a straight line with a cabrio E46 M3, and probably it will leave the first US E36 M3 (240 bhp) behind, but on the twisties and/or with a proper body/engine combination it has no chance
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11-13-2006, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' post='355129' date='Nov 12 2006, 12:24 AM
a 545 or 550 toast the old E36 M3. The 545 will almost hang with a E46 M3 on the highway because of the V8 grunt. but a 2004 530 with "about the same power" is too heavy and the car isnt optimized to run with the E36 M3 Maybe the 255hp 530 will do better but I'm not sure. a 535 will toast it when it comes out. Probably even toast a E46 M3 
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Originally Posted by Matt BMW California' post='355571' date='Nov 13 2006, 05:18 PM
I like toast...especially with peanut butter
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='355567' date='Nov 13 2006, 05:17 PM
Well if you want to put conditions to suit a particular vehilcle's characteristics on the toasting event - how about making it a race over 500 miles!!
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What I was trying to say is that the Cabrio M3 is a compromised vehicle, and that the early 240 bhp US M3 is not worth very much. An EU-spec M3 coupe (or even a saloon) will beat a remapped 535d on the straight and on an agility course and on a real road. Unless - as I said - you are racing at 90mph on a motorway. But then, a 520d will beat the 535 at that. Just make the race 600 miles. One pit stop is all it takes.
Re: lightening the E60. The most recent thread seemed to conclude that the biggest weight saving - short of going boy racer and dropping some fairly unessential creature comforts (electric everything, a/c etc.) - was a diet for the driver...
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Originally Posted by dlevi67' post='355587' date='Nov 13 2006, 05:51 PM
Re: lightening the E60. The most recent thread seemed to conclude that the biggest weight saving - short of going boy racer and dropping some fairly unessential creature comforts (electric everything, a/c etc.) - was a diet for the driver...
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='355557' date='Nov 13 2006, 08:49 AM
"Funny, because a stock or remapped 535d won't toast a 545"
11-13-2006, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='355589' date='Nov 13 2006, 05:56 PM
Did you not get the toast and peanut butter connection?
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11-13-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='355566' date='Nov 13 2006, 09:14 AM
Really?
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11-13-2006, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='355603' date='Nov 13 2006, 06:28 PM
Really.
I haven't seen that comparison hence my "Really?" question.
Would you care to share the basis if your rather unequivocal view? It may save those who would like to go down this route some dosh.
The 535d/545i race is available somewhere online. I will try to find it if of interest.
Here it is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...23633657404315
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PS Sorry Only just noticed that there was a request not to have this discussion again!!
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='355614' date='Nov 13 2006, 10:47 AM
Since the 535d holds up with a 545i as shown ad nauseum on UK Top Gear (crap/good drivers notwithstanding) it seems that you are implying that a remap of a 535d shows insufficient performance improvement to then outperform a 545i.
I haven't seen that comparison hence my "Really?" question.
Would you care to share the basis if your rather unequivocal view? It may save those who would like to go down this route some dosh.
The 535d/545i race is available somewhere online. I will try to find it if of interest.
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I haven't seen that comparison hence my "Really?" question.
Would you care to share the basis if your rather unequivocal view? It may save those who would like to go down this route some dosh.
The 535d/545i race is available somewhere online. I will try to find it if of interest.
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