Avoid premium gas and Shell gas stations
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Originally Posted by juventus' post='1046037' date='Nov 3 2009, 07:51 AM
I think NYC530XI might be right in the sense that this is likely more of a rural problem.
+1 agreed, if you live where gas stations see a greater variety of traffic you are less likely to have a problem.
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Originally Posted by sixcard' post='1046056' date='Nov 3 2009, 11:07 AM
I have been around for a few years and have been dealing with internal combustion engines all but perhaps six of those.
Never before have I heard the term "rot" when referring to engine fuel.
Can anyone who used the term above elaborate? Is there any more technical definition of rotted fuel? What might be the "shelf life" of engine fuel?
Thanks. I am just trying to learn.
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Never before have I heard the term "rot" when referring to engine fuel.
Can anyone who used the term above elaborate? Is there any more technical definition of rotted fuel? What might be the "shelf life" of engine fuel?
Thanks. I am just trying to learn.
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A quick google search yields a decent article on how and why gas can go bad (as much as I dislike CNN, I will link it
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0....gas/index.html
Oxidation I think would be the biggest problem. What do others think?
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Originally Posted by brabusw209amg' post='1046033' date='Nov 3 2009, 11:48 AM
crap...i always use shell v-power even when i drive to the boondocks. i purposely USE shell.
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Originally Posted by NYC530XI' post='1046080' date='Nov 3 2009, 08:27 AM
A quick google search yields a decent article on how and why gas can go bad (as much as I dislike CNN, I will link it
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0....gas/index.html
Oxidation I think would be the biggest problem. What do others think?
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0....gas/index.html
Oxidation I think would be the biggest problem. What do others think?
I agree, especially in rural areas and areas that have not changed the laws yet. When I was in high school the City of Denver changed their laws to require that all gas stations change their fuel tanks when they discovered oxidation and the fact that older tanks were leaking fuel into the soil contaminating it. I am sure there are many areas of the country where they have not changed the laws or rules to modernize the stations.
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Originally Posted by sixcard' post='1046056' date='Nov 3 2009, 10:07 AM
I have been around for a few years and have been dealing with internal combustion engines all but perhaps six of those.
Never before have I heard the term "rot" when referring to engine fuel.
Can anyone who used the term above elaborate? Is there any more technical definition of rotted fuel? What might be the "shelf life" of engine fuel?
Thanks. I am just trying to learn.
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Never before have I heard the term "rot" when referring to engine fuel.
Can anyone who used the term above elaborate? Is there any more technical definition of rotted fuel? What might be the "shelf life" of engine fuel?
Thanks. I am just trying to learn.
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Here's a pretty good article about what happens: Does Gasoline Go Bad?
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Originally Posted by pjinca' post='1046087' date='Nov 3 2009, 11:30 AM
I agree, especially in rural areas and areas that have not changed the laws yet. When I was in high school the City of Denver changed their laws to require that all gas stations change their fuel tanks when they discovered oxidation and the fact that older tanks were leaking fuel into the soil contaminating it. I am sure there are many areas of the country where they have not changed the laws or rules to modernize the stations.
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The truth is most gas stations will sell their inventory, regardless of condition. Unless major gas companies have a buyback program for obsolete gasoline, which I highly doubt.
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Originally Posted by NYC530XI' post='1046101' date='Nov 3 2009, 08:38 AM
Wonder how many gas stations actually obeyed that law... Most likely none
The truth is most gas stations will sell their inventory, regardless of condition. Unless major gas companies have a buyback program for obsolete gasoline, which I highly doubt.
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The truth is most gas stations will sell their inventory, regardless of condition. Unless major gas companies have a buyback program for obsolete gasoline, which I highly doubt.
Actually most did, they had a time frame to comply or lose their license, I worked at one when I was in high school and they did it as soon as possible (they saw it as a selling point, Coloradans can be as freaky as Californians when it comes to protecting the environment).
Have to agree on the second point, gas stations will sell their inventory regardless, because even if the gas companies DID have a buyback program - how would you get it out of the tanks? It would take forever to pump it out of the gas pump into a tanker, and siphoning won't work either.
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Originally Posted by juventus' post='1046011' date='Nov 3 2009, 10:17 AM
Car has been experiencing rough start ups especially when car is cold. The "check engine" light comes on but after driving a couple of miles the light disappears and the roughness/hesitency resolves.
Took it to BMW and they found nothing wrong. However, they did advise me to use mid-grade gas only since there are not a lot of people buying premium because of the economy. This premium gas just sits at the gas station for ages and rots.
BMW also advised me against using Shell.
Any thoughts?
Took it to BMW and they found nothing wrong. However, they did advise me to use mid-grade gas only since there are not a lot of people buying premium because of the economy. This premium gas just sits at the gas station for ages and rots.
BMW also advised me against using Shell.
Any thoughts?
The BMW dealer is the first to accumulate a ton of info re bad/wrong gasoline. I follow their recommendations. My caddy had some starting problems a few years ago. Caddy dealer recommended that I avoid Sam's gas. Problem cured with a few tankfuls of another brand.
Dealer does not just pull a gasoline brand out of the air.
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As a gasoline retailer and a E60 owner I think I should chime in here. The facts are that gasoline does degrade over time. However, nearly all gasoline retailers have much smaller mid-grade and premium tanks, and refuel it at about the same interval as regular. It is a very easy thing to control, because the % of mid-grade and premium sales to regular unleaded is almost exactly the same everywhere in the US. It is usually 10% of the total regular volume. So, most retailers will have a 10,000 gallon regular tank, and two 1,000 gal tanks for mid and premium. This is just an example to keep the numbers simple. Tanker trucks have several different compartments, and we usually load and deliver all three products at the same time. It would be very bad business to sell old, degraded gasoline to customers, just the same as it would be to throw the old, expensive, product out. So, as business people we choose not to do either of those. There are people that probably don't care as much as we do about this, but I assure you that those people are not usually in business for long, and those are not the type of gas stations that you are pulling your $45,000 BMW into. I hope this has been helpful, and please feel free to ask me any questions.