Angel eyes don't work
#32
Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 17,310
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
My Ride: G30 M550i
Model Year: 2018
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
If this new software causes the amber lighting at the front of the car to not illuminate, the car is in violation of US DOT regulations and most likely state regulations as well.
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
#33
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by Rudy' date='Jun 11 2005, 06:58 AM
If this new software causes the amber lighting at the front of the car to not illuminate, the car is in violation of US DOT regulations and most likely state regulations as well.
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
[snapback]138520[/snapback]
It it stops the amber lighting working what other problems might there be with the car after the upgrade. Do BMW not fully validate their software when a new release is issued - what happens if a safety critical function is affected? This is disgraceful - so much for quality control!
#34
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by whihr' date='Jun 11 2005, 02:50 PM
[quote name='Rudy' date='Jun 11 2005, 06:58 AM']If this new software causes the amber lighting at the front of the car to not illuminate, the car is in violation of US DOT regulations and most likely state regulations as well.
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
If this is something BMW is aware of, I'm surprised they didn't pull the software from the dealers and recall any cars that were upgraded...
[snapback]138520[/snapback]
It it stops the amber lighting working what other problems might there be with the car after the upgrade. Do BMW not fully validate their software when a new release is issued - what happens if a safety critical function is affected? This is disgraceful - so much for quality control!
[snapback]138533[/snapback]
[/quote]Just checked mine - upgraded from 13.xx to 16.2 few days a go. All lights work fine on mine - pheewww.
#36
Contributors
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by BMWJIMT' date='Jun 11 2005, 10:07 AM
I can confirm that my orange LEDs stopped working when upgraded to 17.
I have just spoken to my service department who are always most helpful.
They looked this up on the system & confirmed that BMW are aware of this issue, but there is no fix yet. The bullitin advised that they should not to attempt to fix the problem, until they are advised of the resolution details from BMW. Sounds like another software upgrade will be needed!. They advised me to call back in a few weeks, by which time they may know more ( as only a cosmetic problem ).
I have just spoken to my service department who are always most helpful.
They looked this up on the system & confirmed that BMW are aware of this issue, but there is no fix yet. The bullitin advised that they should not to attempt to fix the problem, until they are advised of the resolution details from BMW. Sounds like another software upgrade will be needed!. They advised me to call back in a few weeks, by which time they may know more ( as only a cosmetic problem ).
[snapback]138506[/snapback]
Reading this thread posts, it's easy to note that this is not a version issue alone, as there are reports of working and non-working leds for both 16.xx and 17.xx.
Probably a combination of control module AND CIP version.
But the whole subject does raise the old discussion of s/w vs h/w control.
Even though I generally favour the former (and the later usually depends on some form of low level s/w) I can't figure a good reason for having the LED's under s/w control.
Maybe this one: most LED's can have it's colour changed according to the input voltage/current, so probably the amber colour is a specific value for some variable stored in one of the eprom's.
I can imagine a combination of a car tunner and hacker changing it's LED's colour to pink or green
![Big Grin](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/biggrin.gif)
#37
Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 17,310
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
My Ride: G30 M550i
Model Year: 2018
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by seakat' date='Jun 11 2005, 01:07 PM
Even though I generally favour the former (and the later usually depends on some form of low level s/w) I can't figure a good reason for having the LED's under s/w control.
Maybe this one: most LED's can have it's colour changed according to the input voltage/current, so probably the amber colour is a specific value for some variable stored in one of the eprom's.
I can imagine a combination of a car tunner and hacker changing it's LED's colour to pink or green?![Big Grin](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/biggrin.gif)
Maybe this one: most LED's can have it's colour changed according to the input voltage/current, so probably the amber colour is a specific value for some variable stored in one of the eprom's.
I can imagine a combination of a car tunner and hacker changing it's LED's colour to pink or green?
![Big Grin](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/biggrin.gif)
[snapback]138554[/snapback]
#38
Contributors
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: So Cal, USA
Posts: 14,776
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 545iSMGSilver GrayAuburn Dakota LeatherLogic 7 Premium SoundSports Package
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
It has to be a combination of somthing... since not all of us who updgraded found them not to work. Weird.
#39
Contributors
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Originally Posted by Rudy' date='Jun 11 2005, 05:19 PM
[quote name='seakat' date='Jun 11 2005, 01:07 PM']Even though I generally favour the former (and the later usually depends on some form of low level s/w) I can't figure a good reason for having the LED's under s/w control.
Maybe this one: most LED's can have it's colour changed according to the input voltage/current, so probably the amber colour is a specific value for some variable stored in one of the eprom's.
I can imagine a combination of a car tunner and hacker changing it's LED's colour to pink or green?![Big Grin](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/biggrin.gif)
Maybe this one: most LED's can have it's colour changed according to the input voltage/current, so probably the amber colour is a specific value for some variable stored in one of the eprom's.
I can imagine a combination of a car tunner and hacker changing it's LED's colour to pink or green?
![Big Grin](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/biggrin.gif)
[snapback]138554[/snapback]
[snapback]138556[/snapback]
[/quote]I agree with you Rudy.
But the issue of increased s/w dominance on cars has its thin ice areas, and BMW is (in)famous for boldly walking through them, mainly to achieve technological leadership (and good sales figures).
Lets hope the ice doesn't crack, although I must admit I choose to accept (and follow) this path long ago, otherwise I would not be driving an E61, and I still think the overall result is highly positive.
#40
Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 17,310
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
My Ride: G30 M550i
Model Year: 2018
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Yup. One thing that's important to note -- I think the E39 used similar "addressable" components connected to a bus architecture. It probably wasn't as extensive as the E60 but it's been around longer than people might think. The concept of a small bug in the software causing an LED not to illuminate under some unique combination of circumstances doesn't surprise me the least.
I would only be surprised if this type of thing happened on a Japanese car...
I would only be surprised if this type of thing happened on a Japanese car...