545iSMG Beat Manual M3s but Not SMG
09-08-2004, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 545mcz' date='Sep 8 2004, 03:09 PM
Stats from http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/, a fairly reliable source:
2003 BMW M3 4.8 13.60
2004 BMW 545i (6-speed man) 5.5 14.10
2004 BMW 545i (Automatic) 5.3 13.80
I couldn't find the stats for the 545i SMG but I am assuming it is as fast if not faster than the Auto.
Wrong, I have raced 4 times against an M3 manual, and have beat them by roughly a car length each of these times. So until I get "dusted" by an M3 I have to disagree with you, no matter what you've read or stats say. These are *PROFESSIONAL* drivers who are testing these cars with years and years of experience. None of us, can call ourselves professional drivers of manual no matter how long you have been driving stick, or can be considered in the same league, unless you do it for a living.
Launch yes (I still havent tried launch mode in the 545i), in the long run, no, from my experience so far in my 545, and my other coworker's M3 SMG.
That is complete crap, and those who have any idea of how cars work, in particular the SMG gearbox, should know that these people are telling some very tall tales. If you do your research you will find that the SMG box shifts in 80 to 100 milliseconds or less, that's TWICE as fast as Ferrari's 360 Modena. You can't even push the damn clutch in 80-100 milliseconds, let alone throw it up into the next gear.
I agree with Ice 
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Look you guys can flame me all you want, tell me I'm full of shit, that I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I'm a straight up liar. Believe what you want, but at LEAST do some research behind the SMG gearbox and what it is capable of. Yes I agree with you that manual provides a better launch off the start (like I said, I still haven't tried the "launch mode" in my 545i SMG). But how can you say that I am wrong when it has been proven to me multiple times when I have raced M3s and when I have seen two M3s, one manual one SMG, go head to head and the manual losing time after time. The published stats(performed by professional drivers) are so incredibly close in 1/4 mile, the shifting speeds of the SMG gearbox being so fast, and the lack of professional drivers behind the wheel you see on the streets that you have to at least consider the possibility of what I am saying to be true.
I hate to get heated over something that I intended to just be an informational post to give you 545 owners a heads up.
Is there no one out there that can back me up on this? With experience or knowledge? Is there even anyone out there who can agree with me at all?
2003 BMW M3 4.8 13.60
2004 BMW 545i (6-speed man) 5.5 14.10
2004 BMW 545i (Automatic) 5.3 13.80
I couldn't find the stats for the 545i SMG but I am assuming it is as fast if not faster than the Auto.
First of all, with equal drivers, an M3 coupe will dust a 545, whatever transmission.
I don't doubt that you have run with some M3's, but don't go around saying the 545 is faster in any form - it isn't.
I don't doubt that you have run with some M3's, but don't go around saying the 545 is faster in any form - it isn't.
An M3 with a manual transmission is always faster than one with SMG
I believe some of the SMG owners on this board have claimed to be able upshift just as fast with a manual as with their SMG.
If it would be possible, F1 drivers would drive manuals...?
. Look you guys can flame me all you want, tell me I'm full of shit, that I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I'm a straight up liar. Believe what you want, but at LEAST do some research behind the SMG gearbox and what it is capable of. Yes I agree with you that manual provides a better launch off the start (like I said, I still haven't tried the "launch mode" in my 545i SMG). But how can you say that I am wrong when it has been proven to me multiple times when I have raced M3s and when I have seen two M3s, one manual one SMG, go head to head and the manual losing time after time. The published stats(performed by professional drivers) are so incredibly close in 1/4 mile, the shifting speeds of the SMG gearbox being so fast, and the lack of professional drivers behind the wheel you see on the streets that you have to at least consider the possibility of what I am saying to be true.
I hate to get heated over something that I intended to just be an informational post to give you 545 owners a heads up.
Is there no one out there that can back me up on this? With experience or knowledge? Is there even anyone out there who can agree with me at all?
The 545 is plenty fast for me and in the street, the numbers are close enough to be a driver's race, but the published numbers don't lie.
09-08-2004, 03:29 PM
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You misread my post heezy. Read it again, I think it makes sense, kinda busy at work. If you read it again and it still seems like I said I raced professional drivers, what I meant to say is that the people I raced are not professionals, nor are 99.9% of the people that you will find behind a car on the everyday streets. The only professional drivers that I discussed are the ones who are test driving these cars and posting the published stats. This means that they are getting the most accurate times for 1/4 and 0-60 a human can get 
. The "stats say" part quoted below is where this fits in.
P.S.
The two co-workers I raced (2003 M3 1)Manual/1)SMG), were both from 0-120)
The other M3 (2002/2003?) I raced was on the freeway was a stick and we went from 65~130
. The "stats say" part quoted below is where this fits in.
So until I get "dusted" by an M3 I have to disagree with you, no matter what you've read or stats say. These are *PROFESSIONAL* drivers who are testing these cars with years and years of experience. None of us, can call ourselves professional drivers of manual no matter how long you have been driving stick, or can be considered in the same league, unless you do it for a living.
The two co-workers I raced (2003 M3 1)Manual/1)SMG), were both from 0-120)
The other M3 (2002/2003?) I raced was on the freeway was a stick and we went from 65~130
09-08-2004, 04:23 PM
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Oh yeah, I did misread it.
With my manual, if I don't get a good launch, miss a shift, forget to turn off DSC or don't rev-match quickly enough when downshifting to third on a freeway run, there's an enormity of cars out there that will beat me. Oh well.
With my manual, if I don't get a good launch, miss a shift, forget to turn off DSC or don't rev-match quickly enough when downshifting to third on a freeway run, there's an enormity of cars out there that will beat me. Oh well.
09-09-2004, 12:10 PM
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Post your 'kills' on the BMW board and see what kind of response you get.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum///for...splay.php?f=124
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum///for...splay.php?f=124
04-05-2005, 03:39 PM
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yeah mr 545mcz i think that you are making a big mistake by going around saying you can beat an m3.As amatter of fact i went on the official bmw site,the m3 goes o-60 in 4.9 while the 545 does it in 5.8 and the m3 gets to 155 while the 545 gets to 150.So if your co workers dont know how to drive it doesnt mean your car is faster than an m3. 
04-05-2005, 03:53 PM
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I have an idea...why don't you and your coworkers trade cars for the next round of races? You'll get a better idea of how the M3 feels.
However, the M3 will be new to you and you won't drive it quite as well as your 545i but your coworkers will be in the same boat. Still, in a straight line, with SMG, it is basically mash it and hold on!
Try it and report back...might be interesting....
However, the M3 will be new to you and you won't drive it quite as well as your 545i but your coworkers will be in the same boat. Still, in a straight line, with SMG, it is basically mash it and hold on!
Try it and report back...might be interesting....
04-05-2005, 04:01 PM
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My Ride: 2005 MY 545i Sport Saloon. 2006 MY Alpina B3S Convertible. 2006 MY Brabus Smart 42 Cabrio. 2006 MY AM DB9 Coupe.
The only way of really testing this theory out is to drop the cars from 1000 feet in the air and see which one hits the ground first, with a driver in it, start the car and then zoom off to the car repair shop......... 
04-05-2005, 07:15 PM
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with equal drivers, the M3 will beat the 545.... NO question about it....
can a 545i beat an M3 that screwed the launch, or didn't get the jump? sure thing.... they are not THAT far apart....
while the M3 has a "little" more power, it has "a lot" less torque.....
can a 545i beat an M3 that screwed the launch, or didn't get the jump? sure thing.... they are not THAT far apart....
while the M3 has a "little" more power, it has "a lot" less torque.....
04-05-2005, 07:41 PM
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My Ride: 2005 545i, SilverGray, Black Leather, Step, Sport, Cold Weather, Premium Sound, Heated Rear Seats, Folding Rear Seats.
I had a 2002 SMG M3. The 545i sure feels faster but in a race I know an M3 will win. I prefer the torque over the chainsaw motor.
but in a race I know an M3 will win. I prefer the torque over the chainsaw motor.
04-05-2005, 08:01 PM
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My Ride: 545iSMGSilver GrayAuburn Dakota LeatherLogic 7 Premium SoundSports Package
Originally Posted by DS18661' date='Apr 5 2005, 07:41 PM
the chainsaw motor.
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