Georgos

U r forgetting one thing. The diesel has two turbo's!!!!
Take any 3 liter biturbo and the diesel will be humiliated.

w8pmc

I said i doubted it but as i've no intention of downloading a 700mb file, what was the outcome & what are the 545i power/torque figures?? As i said, they don't sell them in the UK so i've no idea.

But & yet again i'm proving you wrong, what engine is in the 535D?? I think you'll find it's a straight six 3.0 litre, so do you car to argue the point that like for like the Diesel is quicker than the petrol, as the 535d's petrol stablemate is the 530i, not the 545i.

I'm only saying this once more, as you're obviously not listening. I said a 545i WOULD be quicker than a 535D (did i not say that??) I then stated that a modified 535D would be more than a match for a standard 545I (obviously) you then mentioned a modified 545i which may bring the win back to the 545i & we could keep going down that road all day. The point still stands that MANY 535d's have been re-mapped & not that many 545i's so in the Uk & perhaps Europe where you can purchase 535d's their is a very good chance that if you're happily driving along in your 545i & happen across a 535D that fancies a challenge, their's a good chance the 535D would be modified & then you should not cry it the outcome is a little shocking.

I also stated that on a track, the M3 would certainly win against a modified 535D (i'd be insane to think otherwise) however back to real world driving & the performance stats, in a traffic light grand-prix, quick motorway/freeway blast etc. the 2 cars would have very little between them, however the M3 would have the edge. An M3 & DMS 535D have virtually the same power, the 535D is more aerodynamic & has bags more torque, but the M3 is a smaller/lighter car.

So to sumarise, a standard 545i is quicker than a 535D fact & end of debate.

0700700

would you care to state under what conditions the two tests were performed ? i think you are forgetting one was in the dry the other in piss poor conditions

0700700

THEY DO SELL THEM IN THE UK

w8pmc

Don't talk shite. Your statement above is comical. Standard vs standard YES, standard vs modified NOT A CHANCE, modified vs modified YES.

BetterMakeWay

Why do we compare m3 with the 535d. Those are completly different cars. If you want in city traffic to compare the 2 of them, you can do that but just to see the m3 winning (considering both drivers are as good). You'll see the m3 winning but not light years. On a track, or everywhere else (dragstrip) and so on...there is no comparison. The m3 is a better performer. AND damn, it should be. It's an M after all.

0700700

shite is saying that BMW dont offer the 545i in the UK. the other statement is argumented by tests. Go read the other forums


go check Znod's theads. The 545i unmodded can roun 0-100 in little over 5 seconds

colejl

Yeah, but only one is really blowing at a time... (At different points of the rev range)

Perhaps BMW should release a 3l petrol (bi)turbo, oh they are...

w8pmc

And you're forgetting that the 545i has 2 extra cylinders & an extra 1400CC.

Please wake up & smell the coffee. One is a Diesel & the other is not, i knew this would drop into a petrol vs diesel debate.

Out of the factory, the 545i should & will be quicker as the BMW website confirms. No arguement from anyone on that score.

0700700

there is the thread

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=22686


and just for example. The 3litre bi-turbo engine in the Toyota Supra R produces 400bhp/620nm, so as Georgos said put turbos on a benzin engine and well..