545i owners or any N62b44 owners
#11
Members
Senior Members
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think the sentiment here stems from the idea that the Auto in the 545i, especially without sport mode dumbs down the car unnecessarily to the level of that of a IS350 from the same year. The Lexus has none of the issues the e60 does, so what would the point to the purchase be?
Removing the sport suspension is a different argument. I have never seen a 545i without the sports suspension option, but they may exist. I agree that the split sway bar torsional valve of the ARS system absolutely transforms the car's suspension to awesome.
Still scratching my head as to how the automatic "dumbs down the car". What key components did they modify or leave off the car when they installed the automatic transmission?
Now, if the suggestion is being hinted at, and I don't think it is, that a person who has not learned to drive a manual transmission is inherently dumb, that argument makes as much sense as saying a person who has not learned to change their own water pump is inherently dumb.
Probably in the hands of a professional race car driver on a track the manual could be driven expertly to pull away from the automatic by taking full advantage of the engine power band. But, who amongst us truly has those professional skills, and on the street who wants to risk other people, ourselves or our car driving to the absolute limit the car is capable of? I would venture to say that even the most spirited driving that some of us occasionally indulge in is well short of the actual limits of the car, manual or automatic.
BMW has tapped into the manual transmission equipped sedan market for years when few other auto makers have followed. I feel the only reason they had success was the fact that the car handles, and brakes like a sports car. My brother owned a 1983 528i (E24) with a manual transmission which I drove often and it was a fun car.
Again, I would never argue that the joy of feeling "involved" in motoring by stirring the gears is not a strong factor for some people. To each his own. By all means, break out the goggles, leather skull cap and scarf if you feel the need !
![Smile](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/smile.gif)
But the automatic a "dumbed down" car? Hardly.
#12
Members
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 545 2005 Model. Full spec so happy with as is.(for the moment!)
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I love my 545 05 but... It keeps making me cry.....repair/ maintenance bills!
Love hate relationship.
Love hate relationship.
#13
Members
Senior Members
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
And even if you can, the cost of parts and maintenance supplies (especially outside of the US) are high.
Yeah, if it wasn't for all of the love we feel when on a winding road a Lexus, Infiniti, Acura would really make a lot more financial sense.
#14
Members
Senior Members
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
My Ride: 545i sport
Model Year: 2004
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I purchased my '04 545i with 91k miles on the clock. Now it has 118k miles. I have had to do the following work on the engine:
Replace alternator.
Replace alternator bracket seal (leaking when purchased car).
Replace water pump and thermostat.
Reseal vacuum pump.
Replace one coolant hose.
What it currently needs:
Secondary air ports cleaned.
Valve stem seals.
Replace alternator.
Replace alternator bracket seal (leaking when purchased car).
Replace water pump and thermostat.
Reseal vacuum pump.
Replace one coolant hose.
What it currently needs:
Secondary air ports cleaned.
Valve stem seals.
#15
New Members
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Itasca, IL
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 545i
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Really tough if you can't diagnosis and do your own repairs.
And even if you can, the cost of parts and maintenance supplies (especially outside of the US) are high.
Yeah, if it wasn't for all of the love we feel when on a winding road a Lexus, Infiniti, Acura would really make a lot more financial sense.
And even if you can, the cost of parts and maintenance supplies (especially outside of the US) are high.
Yeah, if it wasn't for all of the love we feel when on a winding road a Lexus, Infiniti, Acura would really make a lot more financial sense.
#16
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
My 2005 545i now has about 71k on it. No serious problems, performs like a champ.
Problems at this point include a couple of minor leaks my tech is keeping an eye on but not yet worth fixing, and I've done some preventative cooling system maintenance (replacing the expansion tank in particular.) Any car out of warranty can be a head/heartache but even if the "dreaded transfer pipe" goes, to fix it is a fraction of the drive-off-the-lot cost of depreciation on a new car. Note that I follow strict fluid change and other maintenance intervals. The car is only driven on the weekends for the most part, and doesn't see particularly severe service, which certainly helps. My advice is to drive it, have someone check it, fix problems as they come up so that you stay ahead of things and don't feel as though the car is falling apart on you, but most importantly don't worry and enjoy it!
Problems at this point include a couple of minor leaks my tech is keeping an eye on but not yet worth fixing, and I've done some preventative cooling system maintenance (replacing the expansion tank in particular.) Any car out of warranty can be a head/heartache but even if the "dreaded transfer pipe" goes, to fix it is a fraction of the drive-off-the-lot cost of depreciation on a new car. Note that I follow strict fluid change and other maintenance intervals. The car is only driven on the weekends for the most part, and doesn't see particularly severe service, which certainly helps. My advice is to drive it, have someone check it, fix problems as they come up so that you stay ahead of things and don't feel as though the car is falling apart on you, but most importantly don't worry and enjoy it!
#17
New Members
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: E60 545i
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
My 2005 545i now has about 71k on it. No serious problems, performs like a champ.
Problems at this point include a couple of minor leaks my tech is keeping an eye on but not yet worth fixing, and I've done some preventative cooling system maintenance (replacing the expansion tank in particular.) Any car out of warranty can be a head/heartache but even if the "dreaded transfer pipe" goes, to fix it is a fraction of the drive-off-the-lot cost of depreciation on a new car. Note that I follow strict fluid change and other maintenance intervals. The car is only driven on the weekends for the most part, and doesn't see particularly severe service, which certainly helps. My advice is to drive it, have someone check it, fix problems as they come up so that you stay ahead of things and don't feel as though the car is falling apart on you, but most importantly don't worry and enjoy it!
Problems at this point include a couple of minor leaks my tech is keeping an eye on but not yet worth fixing, and I've done some preventative cooling system maintenance (replacing the expansion tank in particular.) Any car out of warranty can be a head/heartache but even if the "dreaded transfer pipe" goes, to fix it is a fraction of the drive-off-the-lot cost of depreciation on a new car. Note that I follow strict fluid change and other maintenance intervals. The car is only driven on the weekends for the most part, and doesn't see particularly severe service, which certainly helps. My advice is to drive it, have someone check it, fix problems as they come up so that you stay ahead of things and don't feel as though the car is falling apart on you, but most importantly don't worry and enjoy it!
What other vital preventative items are there that I need to address? So far, had to replace a leaking breather hose for the cooling system.
#18
Members
Senior Members
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Just wondering why the expansion tank is an important preventative maintenance item? I'm at 69k and the tank isn't leaking yet, but the floater measuring stick may be starting to not function properly.
What other vital preventative items are there that I need to address? So far, had to replace a leaking breather hose for the cooling system.
What other vital preventative items are there that I need to address? So far, had to replace a leaking breather hose for the cooling system.
Thrown into the mix is a very poor history of reliability for water pumps and thermostats.
As overheating is very hard on the all-aluminum engine (gasket integrity) you want to do anything you can to avoid it.
It is much cheaper in the long run to avoid overheating, gasket repairs and potential towing charges by proactively replacing these components after 75K miles or about 7-8 years of age.
#19
New Members
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: atlanta
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2005 545i Sport
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think the auto vs manual debate centers on driver involvement and those who seek it or try to avoid it.
The 545i is an option that begs to be handled by the driver. That V8 wants the driver heavily involved; it's designed for that. Roughly 80% of all new cars sold in Germany have manual transmissions.
In 2004/2005 only 20% of all new BMW's had automatic transmissions while 50+% of Mercedes had automatics. Therein the phrase: "The Ultimate Driving Machine" as they are expected to be controlled by the driver, and unlike Mercedes, which are designed to simply be occupied by a driver.
So the Automatic BMW is truly an American optioned car. VW., Fiat, Peugeot, etc are all under 10% of new vehicles with automatic transmissions.
![Name: auto_zps0f5e84aa.jpg
Views: 379
Size: 96.5 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160893d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto_zps0f5e84aa.jpg)
![Name: auto1_zps9eb300f7.jpg
Views: 389
Size: 96.7 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160894d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto1_zps9eb300f7.jpg)
![Name: auoto2_zps40c30c69.jpg
Views: 384
Size: 88.8 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160895d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auoto2_zps40c30c69.jpg)
![Name: auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg
Views: 379
Size: 83.2 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160896d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg)
The 545i is an option that begs to be handled by the driver. That V8 wants the driver heavily involved; it's designed for that. Roughly 80% of all new cars sold in Germany have manual transmissions.
In 2004/2005 only 20% of all new BMW's had automatic transmissions while 50+% of Mercedes had automatics. Therein the phrase: "The Ultimate Driving Machine" as they are expected to be controlled by the driver, and unlike Mercedes, which are designed to simply be occupied by a driver.
So the Automatic BMW is truly an American optioned car. VW., Fiat, Peugeot, etc are all under 10% of new vehicles with automatic transmissions.
![Name: auto_zps0f5e84aa.jpg
Views: 379
Size: 96.5 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160893d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto_zps0f5e84aa.jpg)
![Name: auto1_zps9eb300f7.jpg
Views: 389
Size: 96.7 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160894d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto1_zps9eb300f7.jpg)
![Name: auoto2_zps40c30c69.jpg
Views: 384
Size: 88.8 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160895d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auoto2_zps40c30c69.jpg)
![Name: auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg
Views: 379
Size: 83.2 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160896d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg)
![Name: auto2_zps00971ad8.jpg
Views: 376
Size: 87.1 KB](https://5series.net/forums/attachments/e60-discussion-2/160897d1501526221-545i-owners-any-n62b44-owners-auto2_zps00971ad8.jpg)
Last edited by paran; 07-16-2013 at 09:59 AM.
#20
Members
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Poconos, PA
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 04 BMW 545iA ZSP, ZCW, HUD, Silvergrau
![Default](https://5series.net/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
The 545i is an option that begs to be handled by the driver. That V8 wants the driver heavily involved; it's designed for that. Roughly 80% of all new cars sold in Germany have manual transmissions.
So the Automatic BMW is truly an American optioned car. VW., Fiat, Peugeot, etc are all under 10% of new vehicles with automatic transmissions.
![](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/jimbabwe1/auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg)
![](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/jimbabwe1/auto2_zps00971ad8.jpg)
So the Automatic BMW is truly an American optioned car. VW., Fiat, Peugeot, etc are all under 10% of new vehicles with automatic transmissions.
![](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/jimbabwe1/auto3_zpsaafab280.jpg)
![](http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/jimbabwe1/auto2_zps00971ad8.jpg)
In the U.S. luxury cars are supposed to be automatic.