530i vs. 530d vs. 535d
01-17-2007, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza' post='379630' date='Jan 17 2007, 08:25 PM
The 535i (petrol bi-turbo) might be a cracker but I've not seen any suggestion that this will be available in the UK and the cost might be out of my budget too.
The 530i is looking very attractive...
In Auto guise you get mpg's 26.2/50.4/37.7 vs (530d) 31.0/54.3/42.8 - not a big difference anymore! For my fairly low mileage I wouldn't miss my diesel apart from the turbo oomph but the sweet smoothness and lack of lag might well be worth it! I also note both models sneak in band E CO2 so they'll escape the current major wrath of tax hikes for a little while longer! In fact I think the LCI 530i betters my 2003 530d for consumption!
I too would like the 535d but the price differential is really at a premium now! If I couldn't justify a 535d then a 530i might just do the job!
It's close to ?3.5k cheaper!
01-17-2007, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='379695' date='Jan 17 2007, 09:47 PM
The 530i is looking very attractive...
For my fairly low mileage I wouldn't miss my diesel apart from the turbo oomph but the sweet smoothness and lack of lag might well be worth it! I also note both models sneak in band E CO2 so they'll escape the current major wrath of tax hikes for a little while longer!
For my fairly low mileage I wouldn't miss my diesel apart from the turbo oomph but the sweet smoothness and lack of lag might well be worth it! I also note both models sneak in band E CO2 so they'll escape the current major wrath of tax hikes for a little while longer!
We are not taxed on CO2 here yet, but it looks like we will be fairly soon. Currently, it's based on cubic capacity (http://www.eforecourt.com/php/cartax.php). The EU are pushing for more CO2 tax (and tax breaks for car manufacturers who hit the magic 120g/l target).
I wonder what the residuals will be like on an LCI 530i...
Do you think it will be painted with the same brush as the current 530i (i.e. dealer giving low trade-in value as it would be harder to shift than a diesel?).
01-17-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Raighne' post='379705' date='Jan 17 2007, 09:59 PM
Do you think it will be painted with the same brush as the current 530i (i.e. dealer giving low trade-in value as it would be harder to shift than a diesel?).
If the 530i is "as attractive" as a Diesel then do the maths.
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01-17-2007, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='379707' date='Jan 17 2007, 10:04 PM
Surely residuals are set on how attractive a car is to buy.
If the 530i is "as attractive" as a Diesel then do the maths.
If the 530i is "as attractive" as a Diesel then do the maths.
You and I would, because we are studying the minutae of the specs... but what about the everyman?
Would you buy a 530i ABC?
01-17-2007, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aybeesea' post='379707' date='Jan 17 2007, 10:04 PM
Surely residuals are set on how attractive a car is to buy.
If the 530i is "as attractive" as a Diesel then do the maths.
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If the 530i is "as attractive" as a Diesel then do the maths.
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01-17-2007, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Raighne' post='379711' date='Jan 17 2007, 10:08 PM
You you buy a 530i ABC?
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01-17-2007, 02:20 PM
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Firstly, apologies for my cack handed use of English grammar. Note to self - must proof read more.
Anyway....
Residuals are something I must consider, being a private purchaser. If the general concensus is that a 530d will fair better than a 530i then this is vote for the diesel camp. However, did the petrol 530i always suffer in the residual stakes due to the considerable differences in fuel consumption and CO2, which has kind of been eradicated with the N53 engine, or will the preconception that diesels are more fuel efficient prevade??? I'm second guessing the future here.
It does appear however that BMW has seen an opportunity to extract more profit from the 535d. In percentage terms it's way up on the 530i and 530d yet you don't seem to get a lot more (lane departure control). Pre-LCI ,at least you got the extended air-con which was worth a few bob.
Scouring the Internet brokers I figured I could put a pre-LCI 535d M-sport on the road for just over ?38k (leather, 172M alloys, sun prot. glass, BT prep. wood trim & DAB radio) Even with a sizeable double digit discount the 535d LCI equivalent would be touching ?40k which is really pushing my budget.
What to people think would be quicker in the following scenarios 530i or 530d (both autoboxes and forgetting remaps)
(a) 0 - 30 mph
(b) 30 - 50 mph
? 50 - 80 mph
Decisions, decisions, decisions. Nice to be in this position though
Anyway....
Residuals are something I must consider, being a private purchaser. If the general concensus is that a 530d will fair better than a 530i then this is vote for the diesel camp. However, did the petrol 530i always suffer in the residual stakes due to the considerable differences in fuel consumption and CO2, which has kind of been eradicated with the N53 engine, or will the preconception that diesels are more fuel efficient prevade??? I'm second guessing the future here.
It does appear however that BMW has seen an opportunity to extract more profit from the 535d. In percentage terms it's way up on the 530i and 530d yet you don't seem to get a lot more (lane departure control). Pre-LCI ,at least you got the extended air-con which was worth a few bob.
Scouring the Internet brokers I figured I could put a pre-LCI 535d M-sport on the road for just over ?38k (leather, 172M alloys, sun prot. glass, BT prep. wood trim & DAB radio) Even with a sizeable double digit discount the 535d LCI equivalent would be touching ?40k which is really pushing my budget.
What to people think would be quicker in the following scenarios 530i or 530d (both autoboxes and forgetting remaps)
(a) 0 - 30 mph
(b) 30 - 50 mph
? 50 - 80 mph
Decisions, decisions, decisions. Nice to be in this position though
01-17-2007, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza' post='379395' date='Jan 17 2007, 08:48 AM
I'm planning to purchase either a new LCI e60 in March or a pre-LCI 535d demonstrator.
It'll be the M-sport saloon variant I'll be going for.
I've driven both the 530d and 535d (M-sports) in the current form an was impressed by both particularly the 535d.
However looking at the pricing of the LCI 535d it going to cost me about ?3k more than an auto equipped 530d, so from a cost perspective I'm favouring the 530d, but one comment I've read on this forum suggested that the 530d suffered some turbo lag? Personally I didn't notice this when I test drove the 530d.
Is there anyone else out the would agree that the 530d can be often be left wanting in the performance stakes?
235hp & 500nm suggest not.
I've also noticed that the 3.0i petrol engine now has significantly lower emissions, just above that of the diesel, so
this is a possability too - does anyone know if this engine is in any other current models, so that I could test drive it?
I'd been planning to spec. my car with amethyst leather and maple wood trim, both of which are now discontinued.
Does any one know of/have any photos of either the anthracite bamboo or the cream/beige Dakota leather which are new LCI options?
Final question - does anyone know if the cost of options are going up too?
Thanks in advance
Dazza
It'll be the M-sport saloon variant I'll be going for.
I've driven both the 530d and 535d (M-sports) in the current form an was impressed by both particularly the 535d.
However looking at the pricing of the LCI 535d it going to cost me about ?3k more than an auto equipped 530d, so from a cost perspective I'm favouring the 530d, but one comment I've read on this forum suggested that the 530d suffered some turbo lag? Personally I didn't notice this when I test drove the 530d.
Is there anyone else out the would agree that the 530d can be often be left wanting in the performance stakes?
235hp & 500nm suggest not.
I've also noticed that the 3.0i petrol engine now has significantly lower emissions, just above that of the diesel, so
this is a possability too - does anyone know if this engine is in any other current models, so that I could test drive it?
I'd been planning to spec. my car with amethyst leather and maple wood trim, both of which are now discontinued.
Does any one know of/have any photos of either the anthracite bamboo or the cream/beige Dakota leather which are new LCI options?
Final question - does anyone know if the cost of options are going up too?
Thanks in advance
Dazza
this is what i do.
1......when you go to buy .....
2.get the pxchage price for your car first...
3.spec up your car that you want.
4.choose colour options .
5.pick a slow time for sales.
6.get a price on a nearly new or demonstrator.
7.recheck your trade in value..confirmed against the car.
8.most important ......back off
9.have a cup of coffee think a bout it walk back to the salesman!
10 say over the top .......will you look on the factory list for an unallocated car with the spec you requested.?
11. if he wants to selll the car he will give you a cjhoice of 4/5 cars near your spec at a nock down price..
best of luck
you could be lucky and get the exact car you would option yourself ,but it will be a lot less money and will arrive within days most likely.
01-17-2007, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by radioham' post='379770' date='Jan 17 2007, 11:20 PM
10 say over the top .......will you look on the factory list for an unallocated car with the spec you requested.?
11. if he wants to selll the car he will give you a cjhoice of 4/5 cars near your spec at a nock down price..
best of luck
you could be lucky and get the exact car you would option yourself ,but it will be a lot less money and will arrive within days most likely.
11. if he wants to selll the car he will give you a cjhoice of 4/5 cars near your spec at a nock down price..
best of luck
you could be lucky and get the exact car you would option yourself ,but it will be a lot less money and will arrive within days most likely.
I quite like the sound of this?
01-17-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza' post='379775' date='Jan 17 2007, 11:25 PM
Where's this factory list to be found? Is this something that's common to all dealers, or something that I would need to contact BMW GB about?
I quite like the sound of this?
I quite like the sound of this?
ABC