525d Msport Dies , but with warnings !!!
01-28-2008, 05:02 AM
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Guys - not sure if this is a topic anyone can help with but hey its gotta be worth a shout
I have a 05 525D M Sport with 30 k on the clock and lots of extras factory fitted. Extremely happy with the car but recently it has been in the garage with today being the third visit for the same thing. Basically this is what happens. When I am driving along , the satnav screen suddenly blacks out. It comes back on and I then get various warnings about transmission errors, flat tire monitor fault, ABS errors etc etc . Then everything on the dash goes off. The car carries on driving but then everything just drops off and eventually game over I just come to a stop. The first time this happened I took it via a tow truck to BMW where after two days they said that the battery just needed a trickle charge, after that it was fine for a fortnight then exactly the same. This time BMW decided to change the battery for a new one and off I went thinking it was fixed. Then again it happened 800 miles after the last time. This time whilst on the tow truck I had a think and the only thing I could think that was common each time was the cd player was on. You guys will no doubt have a lot more knowledge on these matters but can anyone shed any light or have an educated guess on what is going on here ? They flashed the cars software after the first time which was great as my eyebrows now work but not much use when the car wont go !!!!!
I have a 05 525D M Sport with 30 k on the clock and lots of extras factory fitted. Extremely happy with the car but recently it has been in the garage with today being the third visit for the same thing. Basically this is what happens. When I am driving along , the satnav screen suddenly blacks out. It comes back on and I then get various warnings about transmission errors, flat tire monitor fault, ABS errors etc etc . Then everything on the dash goes off. The car carries on driving but then everything just drops off and eventually game over I just come to a stop. The first time this happened I took it via a tow truck to BMW where after two days they said that the battery just needed a trickle charge, after that it was fine for a fortnight then exactly the same. This time BMW decided to change the battery for a new one and off I went thinking it was fixed. Then again it happened 800 miles after the last time. This time whilst on the tow truck I had a think and the only thing I could think that was common each time was the cd player was on. You guys will no doubt have a lot more knowledge on these matters but can anyone shed any light or have an educated guess on what is going on here ? They flashed the cars software after the first time which was great as my eyebrows now work but not much use when the car wont go !!!!!
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Originally Posted by nemesisfife' post='523773' date='Jan 28 2008, 02:02 PM
Guys - not sure if this is a topic anyone can help with but hey its gotta be worth a shout
I have a 05 525D M Sport with 30 k on the clock and lots of extras factory fitted. Extremely happy with the car but recently it has been in the garage with today being the third visit for the same thing. Basically this is what happens. When I am driving along , the satnav screen suddenly blacks out. It comes back on and I then get various warnings about transmission errors, flat tire monitor fault, ABS errors etc etc . Then everything on the dash goes off. The car carries on driving but then everything just drops off and eventually game over I just come to a stop. The first time this happened I took it via a tow truck to BMW where after two days they said that the battery just needed a trickle charge, after that it was fine for a fortnight then exactly the same. This time BMW decided to change the battery for a new one and off I went thinking it was fixed. Then again it happened 800 miles after the last time. This time whilst on the tow truck I had a think and the only thing I could think that was common each time was the cd player was on. You guys will no doubt have a lot more knowledge on these matters but can anyone shed any light or have an educated guess on what is going on here ? They flashed the cars software after the first time which was great as my eyebrows now work but not much use when the car wont go !!!!!
I have a 05 525D M Sport with 30 k on the clock and lots of extras factory fitted. Extremely happy with the car but recently it has been in the garage with today being the third visit for the same thing. Basically this is what happens. When I am driving along , the satnav screen suddenly blacks out. It comes back on and I then get various warnings about transmission errors, flat tire monitor fault, ABS errors etc etc . Then everything on the dash goes off. The car carries on driving but then everything just drops off and eventually game over I just come to a stop. The first time this happened I took it via a tow truck to BMW where after two days they said that the battery just needed a trickle charge, after that it was fine for a fortnight then exactly the same. This time BMW decided to change the battery for a new one and off I went thinking it was fixed. Then again it happened 800 miles after the last time. This time whilst on the tow truck I had a think and the only thing I could think that was common each time was the cd player was on. You guys will no doubt have a lot more knowledge on these matters but can anyone shed any light or have an educated guess on what is going on here ? They flashed the cars software after the first time which was great as my eyebrows now work but not much use when the car wont go !!!!!
In your case for all the subsequent errors messages followed by the car eventually grinding to a stop seems unusual - I have never read about anything similar to this happening. Maybe someone on here has similar experiences.....
When you say the car stops, do you mean the engine itself goes into a kind of 'limp' mode (reduced power) or that the engine literally shuts down? It would also help to know which country you are from as different markets have different spec cars.
01-28-2008, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmo' post='523796' date='Jan 28 2008, 03:01 PM
The Satnav / iDrive screen blacking out on it's own is quite a common issue actually (do a search on here) and did affect my car when it was only approx. 1 month old (in May 07). However, the only things this usually effects are items such as the Satnav itself & CD / Radio functionality.
In your case for all the subsequent errors messages followed by the car eventually grinding to a stop seems unusual - I have never read about anything similar to this happening. Maybe someone on here has similar experiences.....
When you say the car stops, do you mean the engine itself goes into a kind of 'limp' mode (reduced power) or that the engine literally shuts down? It would also help to know which country you are from as different markets have different spec cars.
In your case for all the subsequent errors messages followed by the car eventually grinding to a stop seems unusual - I have never read about anything similar to this happening. Maybe someone on here has similar experiences.....
When you say the car stops, do you mean the engine itself goes into a kind of 'limp' mode (reduced power) or that the engine literally shuts down? It would also help to know which country you are from as different markets have different spec cars.
Sorry my Friend I should have made it clear I am a UK member - caqr does indeed go into some sort of limp mode, I have never actually let it die completely but the second time it happened I was struggling to make it to the slip road on a very busy motorway which had no hard shoulder !!
It is in my mind that the CD itself was running each time, although I couldnt swear on this for the first time but definately for the 2nd and 3rd !
If someone could shed ligght on what a CCC is it would help as this seems to be the cause of many issues which may or may not be related to mine
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Originally Posted by nemesisfife' post='523799' date='Jan 28 2008, 03:10 PM
Sorry my Friend I should have made it clear I am a UK member - caqr does indeed go into some sort of limp mode, I have never actually let it die completely but the second time it happened I was struggling to make it to the slip road on a very busy motorway which had no hard shoulder !!
It is in my mind that the CD itself was running each time, although I couldnt swear on this for the first time but definately for the 2nd and 3rd !
If someone could shed ligght on what a CCC is it would help as this seems to be the cause of many issues which may or may not be related to mine
It is in my mind that the CD itself was running each time, although I couldnt swear on this for the first time but definately for the 2nd and 3rd !
If someone could shed ligght on what a CCC is it would help as this seems to be the cause of many issues which may or may not be related to mine
Welcome to the board (I'm in the UK also)!
The CCC is a control module that operates the CD / Satnav / iDrive (all linked I believe). If I'm not mistaken, there are several of these control modules operating various systems on the car. A CCC was indeed the problem on my car and was duely replaced. The car was then re-programmed (fitting a new CCC always required re-programming I was told by the Dealer / technician). In my case (touch wood) it cured my car and I've had no further problems during the following 8 months.
As already stated however, this only usually effects the direct operation of CD / Satnav / iDrive (as in my case) - not usually the running of the car. I would therefore doubt this is the cause in your case, but maybe wrong. Surely this is a power related issue. So, if charging the battery, then subsequently replacing it hasn't cured things, then there must be some other route cause effecting battery performance maybe?
Others maybe able to help further on here.
01-28-2008, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Palmo' post='523808' date='Jan 28 2008, 03:32 PM
Welcome to the board (I'm in the UK also)!
The CCC is a control module that operates the CD / Satnav / iDrive (all linked I believe). If I'm not mistaken, there are several of these control modules operating various systems on the car. A CCC was indeed the problem on my car and was duely replaced. The car was then re-programmed (fitting a new CCC always required re-programming I was told by the Dealer / technician). In my case (touch wood) it cured my car and I've had no further problems during the following 8 months.
As already stated however, this only usually effects the direct operation of CD / Satnav / iDrive (as in my case) - not usually the running of the car. I would therefore doubt this is the cause in your case, but maybe wrong. Surely this is a power related issue. So, if charging the battery, then subsequently replacing it hasn't cured things, then there must be some other route cause effecting battery performance maybe?
Others maybe able to help further on here.
The CCC is a control module that operates the CD / Satnav / iDrive (all linked I believe). If I'm not mistaken, there are several of these control modules operating various systems on the car. A CCC was indeed the problem on my car and was duely replaced. The car was then re-programmed (fitting a new CCC always required re-programming I was told by the Dealer / technician). In my case (touch wood) it cured my car and I've had no further problems during the following 8 months.
As already stated however, this only usually effects the direct operation of CD / Satnav / iDrive (as in my case) - not usually the running of the car. I would therefore doubt this is the cause in your case, but maybe wrong. Surely this is a power related issue. So, if charging the battery, then subsequently replacing it hasn't cured things, then there must be some other route cause effecting battery performance maybe?
Others maybe able to help further on here.
Good to hear from a fellow manc (hope your a red lol)
It is a very weird fault eh - the guy at Eastern in Edinburgh said that three master techs were scratching their heads over it and could only come up with replacing the battery ! I had a road angel hard wired in which they tried to blame the first time (charged me ?220 !!!) but its not been connected since then and I cant see how just having the lead tucked in below the windscreen could ever draw any current without a load attached.
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This is what happened three times to my 07 550, they never did explain what was wrong with the car but I'm getting a new one with assistance from BMW Canada, I note that my old car is for sale on the lot now . It only had 5800 kms !!
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Originally Posted by westcoast550' post='523956' date='Jan 28 2008, 10:15 PM
This is what happened three times to my 07 550, they never did explain what was wrong with the car but I'm getting a new one with assistance from BMW Canada, I note that my old car is for sale on the lot now . It only had 5800 kms !!
01-29-2008, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nemesisfife' post='524134' date='Jan 29 2008, 07:12 AM
Well the techs told me yesterday that they had master master specialists (I kid you not!) in Bracknell UK and that my car would be attached o the network so they could analyse it from there - you would think with all the wizardry that BMW now have in their cars that they would be able to diagnose any fault straight away but I can see this dragging on and on - Its a nightmar when your driving around in a car that cost ?37k less than three years ago and all your doing is waiting for that gong and a pile of messages telling you everything in the vehicle is knackered then it stops !! I have tried stopping the car straight away once the messages start and that seemed to work on Saturday , do you think this is a pointer to what is wrong ? I ad left the car for about 2 hours after it stopped and all seemed fine when I returned ????
Ok I just got off the phone to the garage and after being fobbed off a little by the service girl I was allowed to speak to Derek who is the workshop manager. He couldnt have been more helpful to be honest , at last someone who tells how it is. Basically what happened last night was they had the car connected to BMW techies in Bracknell who noticed a spike at some stage. This was traced to the cd player/dvd and was confirmed this morning when the techies sat in the car with some scope connected - when the spike occured they heard a grinding from the centre unit which could only be the cd/dvd unit - no disc in either which kinda confirms that it shouldnt be running. Derek has ordered a brand new centre unit which he says will fix the problem - here is hoping !! One thing does niggle me though - if the problem is that the cd is draining the battery when the car is parked up, why doe sthe fault (shutdown) then occur when the car has started and is running - why is the battery not being charged when it is running thereby surely stopping the fault ?? Only thing I can think of is that the spike being caused is picked up by the car as a major issue which then initiates a shutdown ???? Can anyone give me the benefit of their knowledge on these matters ???
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The CCC is not draining the battery but is causing the other control units in the car to get confused. The car kind of relies on all things doing their bit or not at all. In your car it seems to be that the CCC is miscommunicating with the cars main computer which is throwing everything else off balance. What is very scary is that a CD player can cause performance / driving issues.