05 525d vs 04 525i
12-22-2005, 03:24 AM
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It's interesting to compare diesel with petrol.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
12-22-2005, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by stu' post='214363' date='Dec 22 2005, 07:24 AM
It's interesting to compare diesel with petrol.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
Of course the sound is way better on the petrol model but only the idle sound on the diesel is disturbing. Once revved it sounds more like a american muscle car...at least that's how mine sounds. Even the turbos are qutie silenced.
12-22-2005, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by stu' post='214363' date='Dec 22 2005, 01:24 PM
It's interesting to compare diesel with petrol.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
The feeling of significant acceleration and no engine stress is the shit!
12-22-2005, 05:20 AM
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I only ever test drove the 530d and was hooked! Even the salesman said he was struggling to sell the 'equivalent' petrol.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
(ii) I'm getting just over 30mpg. Over 50mpg on a long journey without any 'fun'
(iii) Indeed. A 530d auto with leather should be easiest to sell?
Originally Posted by stu' post='214363' date='Dec 22 2005, 12:24 PM
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 535D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 535D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
If the 'updated' 535d comes out soon (Lighter block) I will be VERY tempted!
Stu - I spot that the Dunlops have gone? What did you get?
12-22-2005, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='213938' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:18 PM
I have a 525d sport as my loaner.
It is almost precisely the same spec as my own car.
It is almost precisely the same spec as my own car.
The 525d is a "econo" car and the engine has not been updated yet.
12-22-2005, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JayJay' post='213938' date='Dec 21 2005, 12:18 PM
I have a 525d sport as my loaner.
It is almost precisely the same spec as my own car.
However im not sure if my mind has over exaggerated the difference in performance but the diesel feels considerably slower both off the mark and from around 40 upto 80 (70 if plod is reading). I was under the impression that the diesel and petrol were pretty much the same kind of pace with the diesel being only slightly slower but after driving it for a few days it just *feels* like im travelling much slower than in the petrol varient.
I was also surprised at the mpg. On my 525i the clock is reading around 25mpg average (and i tend to have a rather heavy foot)
The diesel loaner i have when picked up was averaging 30mpg dead. Now its at 29mpg after 2 days of use.
For the difference of seemingly 4mpg id prefer to pull up and not think 'my car sounds like a truck'
Im genuinely surprised that the diesel doesnt really achieve much more than the petrol. I thought the whole point of a diesel was better fuel economy? Even at motorway cruising i can get my petrol to do around 40/50mpg at a reasonable speed which is around the same as im getting on the d..
just my 2 cents
It is almost precisely the same spec as my own car.
However im not sure if my mind has over exaggerated the difference in performance but the diesel feels considerably slower both off the mark and from around 40 upto 80 (70 if plod is reading). I was under the impression that the diesel and petrol were pretty much the same kind of pace with the diesel being only slightly slower but after driving it for a few days it just *feels* like im travelling much slower than in the petrol varient.
I was also surprised at the mpg. On my 525i the clock is reading around 25mpg average (and i tend to have a rather heavy foot)
The diesel loaner i have when picked up was averaging 30mpg dead. Now its at 29mpg after 2 days of use.
For the difference of seemingly 4mpg id prefer to pull up and not think 'my car sounds like a truck'
Im genuinely surprised that the diesel doesnt really achieve much more than the petrol. I thought the whole point of a diesel was better fuel economy? Even at motorway cruising i can get my petrol to do around 40/50mpg at a reasonable speed which is around the same as im getting on the d..
just my 2 cents
12-22-2005, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by stu' post='214363' date='Dec 22 2005, 07:24 AM
It's interesting to compare diesel with petrol.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
This is my first diesel car and I have to say it is impressive. I chose it after reading many posts on this forum ( thanks Doctor Diesel, ISUK, Colejl + others) No regrets.
I recently had an auto 530i loaner ( with the new R6 engine) for 2 weeks whilst my own car went in for the heated seat recall and other work.
At first, I was truly shocked, how slow the 530i felt.
Now, after a few days with it , if you really redlined it every step of the journey - it did go rather well.
BUT here are the drawbacks,
(i) above 5000 rpm the new engine sounded thrashy ( I agree with Jay Jay that the diesel at idle sounds poor too!). In the 530i petrol, passengers could tell you were "caning it" to make good progress. Frankly it was embarassing , I had to drive more slowly! Wheras passengers in my 530D hear nothing even under significant acceleration. There is a huge difference in "real world driveability ".
(ii) I averaged , over 1000 miles, just 17 mpg. ( pretty distressing given I pay for my own car and fuel)
Under similar conditions my 530D will give 29mpg. This is a much bigger difference than Jay Jay experienced. It was representative though - similar cars and identical driving conditions.
(iii) Used E60's do not hold there value as well as we expected . But the hardest ones to sell are the petrol models.
The loaner had active steering and dynamic drive - both options were fantastic.
My next car will have these !
I'd love a 5353D but probably will have to replace with another 530D. The petrol models won't get any consideration.
12-22-2005, 09:29 AM
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Indeed. But I wouldn't trust the accuracy anyway...
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I too love the 530d performance. But must have a differnet car from those reporting seeing 40mpg or even 50mpg on gentle use.
I am getting 21mpg commuting and never ever seen more than 35mpg on the most gentle motorway dawdle. Been at the dealer 4 times and no improvement - only a letter stating in writing that low 20's mpg is "commesnureate with the vehicle".
I am getting 21mpg commuting and never ever seen more than 35mpg on the most gentle motorway dawdle. Been at the dealer 4 times and no improvement - only a letter stating in writing that low 20's mpg is "commesnureate with the vehicle".