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Old 12-17-2008, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 545felix' post='745555' date='Dec 15 2008, 07:46 PM
two ways to check for logic7: one, there's a page on the tone menu that has the L7 logo (if you have the option to turn on "concert hall" or "theater" sound you have L7) or check for a speaker beneath the center dashboard grille.

by amp, I mean the amplifier located in the left rear of the trunk. even the non-L7s have an amp there, it's just half the size and not fiber optic based.
I don't have L7 but the CCC is looking for one, which would probably explain the lack of sound. Oddly enough though, my PDC works perfectly .

Anyway, here's the latest...

I go down to the garage today to talk to the mechanic and brain storm. It turns out he was confused. The local autologic people say that they aren't getting any response from the CCC so when they went and tried 8 different CCC's, but they weren't trying to program each - they were looking for one that didn't require programming... I tried to figure out the reasoning for this ... but really didn't understand the responses. Anyway, he's for sure that the CCC I have is a bad one based upon what Autologic told him.

I told him I needed the car for the weekend and I'd bring it back next week to try actually PROGRAMMING a different CCC. In the meantime, I have an appointment with Tony Edwards BMW to see if they are able to do the retrofit programming on this CCC. They don't use autologic, as they use the GT1 diagnostic tool/computer. Maybe I'll have better luck with them.

I did get my water pump replaced today, though. Which makes me happy. The bearings were going out on my other one. One thing fixed!

Now that I'm unemployed, I have more free time to try and get the nav system sorted out. Silver lining!
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all i can say dirk, is that the CCC was working fully with radio/cd sound and everything prior to shipping, i would put my money on your "mechanic" being a "brain doner"..........
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Originally Posted by Dr Dave' post='747202' date='Dec 17 2008, 08:24 PM
all i can say dirk, is that the CCC was working fully with radio/cd sound and everything prior to shipping, i would put my money on your "mechanic" being a "brain doner"..........
Hopefully find out tomorrow! I believe you, and I'm not giving up easily!!
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Originally Posted by dirksqjaw' post='747134' date='Dec 17 2008, 09:55 AM
I go down to the garage today to talk to the mechanic and brain storm. It turns out he was confused. The local autologic people say that they aren't getting any response from the CCC so when they went and tried 8 different CCC's, but they weren't trying to program each - they were looking for one that didn't require programming... I tried to figure out the reasoning for this ... but really didn't understand the responses. Anyway, he's for sure that the CCC I have is a bad one based upon what Autologic told him.

you would get sound out of the other 8 units without programing...the re-programing is for the navigation and not for the radio, every car i have done, and every car i have heard of the radio works fine before re-programing, regardless of logic 7 or otherwise.

there is definatly something else adrift here? dont know what but........
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Originally Posted by Dr Dave' post='747224' date='Dec 17 2008, 08:51 PM
you would get sound out of the other 8 units without programing...the re-programing is for the navigation and not for the radio, every car i have done, and every car i have heard of the radio works fine before re-programing, regardless of logic 7 or otherwise.

there is definatly something else adrift here? dont know what but........
For what it's worth, he said the sound worked in the other CCC's, but other stuff didn't. /shrug, let's hope this new shop can shed some light on the issue. I get absolutely NO sound, no seatbelt, no pdc, nothing at all.
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Round 647, *DING*

Got the car back from Tony Edwards BMW. No joy. Unfortunately, they use Progman for their updater so I expected it would be a bumpy road and it was. First error trying to do the retrofit encoding was it didn't like my ipod adapter, so I went home and got the CD changer originally installed, took it back and tried again. Next error - Looking for the L7 amp, and obviously not finding one. Encoding stopped.

The guy was theorizing maybe we could hook up an L7 amp to trick it and see if it'll do the rest of the programming, but he said I'd likely have to live without sound. Hah, funny guy.

All in all, it seems like a dead end. The guy's end verdict - you can't put a CCC from an M5 into a 545i, period. This, of course, coming with his understanding and knowledge of Progman.

On a brighter side, the service assistant guy jokingly offered to trade his brand new camry for my car... I'm thinking of taking him up on it.

Next up - Going to be trying a couple of other second hand CCC's using autologic next week. Now? Drink a lot and try not to think about it.
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he is on crack....BMW did not make different CCC's for the M5 & 545's they are all the same...look on oem parts........
i have fitted 2 M5 CCC's into a 530 petrol and a 535diesel, they are the same, its small programing for extra functions that are different.

lmao.......whats the matter with these people, here in england its an easy job, there are at least 5 people within a 5 mile radius that specialise in this................i cant beleive the drama your having.
i feel for you mate.

take the pipe off your mechanic and tell him to get on the forums.
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Originally Posted by dirksqjaw' post='747252' date='Dec 17 2008, 12:29 PM
For what it's worth, he said the sound worked in the other CCC's, but other stuff didn't. /shrug, let's hope this new shop can shed some light on the issue. I get absolutely NO sound, no seatbelt, no pdc, nothing at all.
the "other stuff" will not work until the CCC is recoded to your car, period. If none of those 8 CCCs have the same equipment as your car, that is going to be the case. Mine didn't show bluetooth until I had the car recoded. As far as the dealer, was he following the retrofit-nav pro path or was he trying to just reprogram it as if the car already had it and he was replacing the unit? he would need to go the retrofit path.

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Originally Posted by 545felix' post='747905' date='Dec 18 2008, 08:06 PM
the "other stuff" will not work until the CCC is recoded to your car, period. If none of those 8 CCCs have the same equipment as your car, that is going to be the case. Mine didn't show bluetooth until I had the car recoded. As far as the dealer, was he following the retrofit-nav pro path or was he trying to just reprogram it as if the car already had it and he was replacing the unit? he would need to go the retrofit path.

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Retrofit-nav path. It pulled up a screen basically showing all the shit that was going to be done and the first one was to replace the ipod adapter (not responding) or some such shit, we put the original CD player back in which cleared this and the board looked good so we started the retrofit process and error came up, something about the amplifier or something. No option to skip or continue. I didn't have the camera and I'm a little drunk so hazy on the details. Going to speak with the programmer guy again on Saturday to go over what happened exactly.
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Going back in today to try again using Progman. We're putting in the old M-ASK and monitor, flushing out all the errors, and while the computer is still up, changing over to the new ccc and monitor then trying the retrofit path.

The reason I have no sound is the CCC thinks I have L7, L7's sound is off the MOST bus loop, normal sound isn't. I won't have sound unless I a) get this stupid thing reprogrammed to my options, or b) install an L7 amp. The lack of steering wheel buttons is a mystery to everyone.

If this fails, then I'll go back to the autologic and trying different CCC's.


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