SEALERS VS CARNUABA WAX
12-14-2007, 10:37 AM
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To all your waxing detail gurus, im looking and reading, mostly educating myself on the detail process
i want to do a full detail on my car
my question to some of you is this
can you seal prior to waxing or is it vice versa im looking at the menzerna product
im just not sure if sealing is required
i was planning on washing
claying
polishing not sure which polish to use, mezerna, or ps21 lotion
glazing or sealing meguiars #7
p21s wax
is this a good combination in this order?
i want to do a full detail on my car
my question to some of you is this
can you seal prior to waxing or is it vice versa im looking at the menzerna product
im just not sure if sealing is required
i was planning on washing
claying
polishing not sure which polish to use, mezerna, or ps21 lotion
glazing or sealing meguiars #7
p21s wax
is this a good combination in this order?
12-14-2007, 12:40 PM
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rjcastr, you're right. That's in the right order, always seal before wax.
And for the polish, do you mean P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser (You said Ps21 lotion), it is not a polish, it's actually a paint cleanser which normally used before waxing. i would suggest Menzerna IP and FF but make sure u got the right machine to do the job as it contains abrassive ingredients which will thiner your clearcoat. (But this is how to remove swirls and scratches)
Sealant is always recommended cos it gives the clearcoat an extra protection against the environment. CG Jetseal 109 and Zaino Z2-pro will be my choice.
Goodluck!
Keith
And for the polish, do you mean P21s Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser (You said Ps21 lotion), it is not a polish, it's actually a paint cleanser which normally used before waxing. i would suggest Menzerna IP and FF but make sure u got the right machine to do the job as it contains abrassive ingredients which will thiner your clearcoat. (But this is how to remove swirls and scratches)
Sealant is always recommended cos it gives the clearcoat an extra protection against the environment. CG Jetseal 109 and Zaino Z2-pro will be my choice.
Goodluck!
Keith
12-14-2007, 12:59 PM
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My Ride: BMW E60 530i , Silver with leather Air Con iDrive 17" Breyton Rims with Dunlop Sp Sport tyres (M-Tech Bodykit and rims WANTED)
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Toyota MR-S 1.8 VVTI , Lagoon Blue with Red leather Air Con 15" standard alloys with Toyo tyres
Toyota Celica 1.8 VVTI, Lagoon Blue, Air Con, 16" Standard alloys with Kuhmo KU31, EBC Green Stuff
Originally Posted by C's Bimmer' post='506857' date='Dec 14 2007, 09:41 PM
- Polish - Menzerna
- Seal - jetSEAL 109
- Wax - Victoria Wax
But not sure the durability tho (But think will be better than P21s)
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12-14-2007, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by keith84_uk' post='506864' date='Dec 14 2007, 04:59 PM
BTW, C! I tried Vic Wax on my mate's mini cooper yesterday, and i have to say it's brilliant!!
But not sure the durability tho (But think will be better than P21s)
Keith
But not sure the durability tho (But think will be better than P21s)
Keith
12-14-2007, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by C's Bimmer' post='506868' date='Dec 14 2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah, it's pretty insane stuff and wiping it on with your bare hands and fingertips is weird, but it's good stuff. But yeah, at the end of the day, it's gone after a few months. I guess you just need to do a "rub-down" on your car every quarter. Hahahahaha!
I havent bought my griots yet so this time around i will be doing it by good ol hands. i think my g/f will be getting me a griots for xmas she told me not to buy one. i didn't know that detailer guy that did the porsche lives in my city lol, maybe he can give me pointers.
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Originally Posted by rjcastr' post='506887' date='Dec 14 2007, 06:06 PM
I havent bought my griots yet so this time around i will be doing it by good ol hands. i think my g/f will be getting me a griots for xmas she told me not to buy one. i didn't know that detailer guy that did the porsche lives in my city lol, maybe he can give me pointers.
oh yeah one more thing, im doing a polish by hand what do you recommend?
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Originally Posted by rjcastr' post='506888' date='Dec 14 2007, 06:06 PM
oh yeah one more thing, im doing a polish by hand what do you recommend?
and one more thing, do i need to do a paint cleaner prior to a polish or is it not reccommended on newer cars.
12-14-2007, 02:50 PM
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rjcastr you dont need to use a paint cleaner if you use a good soap, like CG CWS, or NXT. Alot of us use the foam gun and put the suds on the car that way and let it soak then wash it. Then polish, seal, then wax. I can say that most of us use the CG jet seal 109 to seal, and a variety of different waxes, me personally I use the VW wax. but on thing as your applying these polishes and sealants, your going to be doing it by hand so remember that your results will not be anywhere close to what see on this site. You need a RO, or a Rotary polisher with CCS pads. One of the sites we all use is called autogeek.com, and Chemicalguys.com. Hope this helps good luck and happy detailing. Be sure to post some pics of your work so we can cretique it..... 
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Originally Posted by vafinest25' post='506904' date='Dec 14 2007, 06:50 PM
rjcastr you dont need to use a paint cleaner if you use a good soap, like CG CWS, or NXT. Alot of us use the foam gun and put the suds on the car that way and let it soak then wash it. Then polish, seal, then wax. I can say that most of us use the CG jet seal 109 to seal, and a variety of different waxes, me personally I use the VW wax. but on thing as your applying these polishes and sealants, your going to be doing it by hand so remember that your results will not be anywhere close to what see on this site. You need a RO, or a Rotary polisher with CCS pads. One of the sites we all use is called autogeek.com, and Chemicalguys.com. Hope this helps good luck and happy detailing. Be sure to post some pics of your work so we can cretique it.....
yeah i know im getting one for xmas!
so im excited