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Wrote to both of these guys and just got fobbed off with "We're sorry you had cause to write to us but after investigation we can confirm that your vehicle is operating to manufacturer's specifications"
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Originally Posted by KAF' post='259033' date='Mar 23 2006, 10:04 PM
Albmag, have a look at the poll I set up on this subject.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=23508
It is about 50/50 in terms of owners suffering this problem. A little surprisingly petrol owners seem to have a slightly worse issue than diesel, which does not tie in with the explanation given by ZF.
I wish you good fortune when your new car arrives.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=23508
It is about 50/50 in terms of owners suffering this problem. A little surprisingly petrol owners seem to have a slightly worse issue than diesel, which does not tie in with the explanation given by ZF.
I wish you good fortune when your new car arrives.
From what I have seen and read, I think that all e60 owners with auto's seem to experience a slight transmission delay when accelerating hard from low speeds.
Either the perception or the extent of this delay varies significantly from car to car - with some people describing sensations of being 'rear-ended' by a truck and others saying - it's fine.
Either - some cars have a fault - or some drivers find this a problem whilst others don't.
My feeling is that BMW know about the delay, but believe that most drivers accept it and only a vocal few complain.
My suggestion - is that those who do feel they have a huge problem employ an independant expert mechanic to write a report on the issue, then send that to BMW as part of a formal complaint.
Just a thought ...........
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It's just the feeling of throwing good money after bad that stops me doing that.
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Originally Posted by KAF' post='259427' date='Mar 24 2006, 05:24 PM
It's just the feeling of throwing good money after bad that stops me doing that.
Quite often in my working life I come up with technical 'fit for purpose' arguments. The usual protocol is to invite the manufacturer to comment and advise on a problem and if they claim the problem doesn't exist and you want to take it further the only option is to commission an independant report.
Another question - have you managed to drive another e60 that doesn't slam?
If you can find one - then you will find it much easier to prove that yours ain't right.
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Originally Posted by KAF' post='259033' date='Mar 23 2006, 11:04 PM
Albmag, have a look at the poll I set up on this subject.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=23508
It is about 50/50 in terms of owners suffering this problem. A little surprisingly petrol owners seem to have a slightly worse issue than diesel, which does not tie in with the explanation given by ZF.
I wish you good fortune when your new car arrives.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=23508
It is about 50/50 in terms of owners suffering this problem. A little surprisingly petrol owners seem to have a slightly worse issue than diesel, which does not tie in with the explanation given by ZF.
I wish you good fortune when your new car arrives.
I'll check it while leaving the Dealer with the car. If it shows the problem, it will not leave for sure the Dealer premisses...
I'll check it with the rest of my colleagues that also drive E60s/E61s.
But one thing in this process is quite strange to me.
Clearly this is a problem from a BMW supplier: ZF. I know that BMW does not treat its suppliers in such an bad way as the others OEM do, but doesn't this fact give BMW the power to demand a Solution???
In the limit to pass the costs of it to ZF...
After all the problem is not new.
For sure BMW already knew the problems suffered by Jaguar with the same gearbox.
If BMW didn't knew, somebody in M?nchen Central Purchasing is not making its job properly)...
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I will go out on a limb here and disagree with most of you. I have a 545i that has slammed maybe once a month since I owned it. It really doesn't bother me that much. I guarantee you that those driving sticks grind your gears or miss a shift more often than most of you are getting a transmission slam.
Does it bother me? A little, but not enough to obsess over it or sell an otherwise great car for something else that undoubtedly will have a different and equally annoying quirk.
Does it bother me? A little, but not enough to obsess over it or sell an otherwise great car for something else that undoubtedly will have a different and equally annoying quirk.
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Originally Posted by rodneyremington' post='259552' date='Mar 24 2006, 03:44 PM
I will go out on a limb here and disagree with most of you. I have a 545i that has slammed maybe once a month since I owned it. It really doesn't bother me that much. I guarantee you that those driving sticks grind your gears or miss a shift more often than most of you are getting a transmission slam.
Does it bother me? A little, but not enough to obsess over it or sell an otherwise great car for something else that undoubtedly will have a different and equally annoying quirk.
Does it bother me? A little, but not enough to obsess over it or sell an otherwise great car for something else that undoubtedly will have a different and equally annoying quirk.
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You sound as if you're trying to convince yourselves that although you're disappointed it's OK.
It is not OK - you've paid a lot of money, and it is not too much to ask that it is right, BMW are a good engineering company and they can do it right - simple as.
It is not OK - you've paid a lot of money, and it is not too much to ask that it is right, BMW are a good engineering company and they can do it right - simple as.
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Originally Posted by Oscar' post='260476' date='Mar 27 2006, 08:40 AM
You sound as if you're trying to convince yourselves that although you're disappointed it's OK.
It is not OK - you've paid a lot of money, and it is not too much to ask that it is right, BMW are a good engineering company and they can do it right - simple as.
It is not OK - you've paid a lot of money, and it is not too much to ask that it is right, BMW are a good engineering company and they can do it right - simple as.
I recognise the symptoms described and they do appear in my car, but it is in no way dangerous (once you get used to the behaviour of the gearbox) and does not affect driving enjoyment.
Personally, I think the more badly affected cars have a fault. Have the people experiencing this replicated it in loan cars / other peoples e60's as well?
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Has the dust settled on this topic...??
Anyone had a ZF report and BMW follow-up..
I still have the problem......This thread seemed most useful some months ago!
Anyone had a ZF report and BMW follow-up..
I still have the problem......This thread seemed most useful some months ago!