BetterMakeWay

Not really so: PS: The end of the video is biblical

But agree that the 6.2 liter gives more room to tuners. As i've said, it's relative simple to build big engines with high output but kind of hard to build smaller ones with the same or similar output with thinking to engine placement in the engine bay. Also building bigger engines in terms of cubic-cms, gives you more room to play with compression ratios where in smaller ones, especially high revving engines like the one in the M3, the ratio will always be higher.

Merc compression ratio: 11,3:1
Bimmer ratio: 12:1

swajames

I'm sure it's possible to find Youtube videos to support whatever position one wants to take so perhaps it's better to just agree to disagree. My primary point was just that the C63 really isn't like some of the AMG vehicles of days gone by. It stops, goes and turns broadly as well as its competitors and it's no less capable of delivering a thrilling drive.

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BetterMakeWay

Ok i agree to disagree

JetBlack5OC

+1

BetterMakeWay

Nurburgring lap times:

swajames

I think it's generally agreed that the stock M3 is going to be quicker around most tracks than a stock C63, the issue here was a comparison of modified cars and the C63 is always going to have an advantage as it's simply capable of much higher output than the M3 engine can ever be. The primary point is that the gap in handling is easier to close than the gap in power when we're not talking about the stock configuration. As your list shows, the stock C63 turned in as quick a lap as the E60 M5, that's not something that the AMG models of old could have done.

BetterMakeWay

Yes and the original comment was:

Which i find very true since i agree with you that the C63 has a bigger engine and hence a bigger output and lots more torque, but when twisties are introduced into the mix the M3 wins. Sure the gap of the handling can be shortened but that's if you mod the Merc and keep the M3 stock, while if you mod also the M3 in terms of handling the gap will most likely keep at the same level.

Agree the C63 turned out an identical time to the E60 M5 where the M5 is a bigger car but look at just one place above the M3, and you'll see an R8 which is considered by many a very refined sports car, especially due to the central mounting engine. My point is that the M3 is still the king in terms of handling, being able not only to compensate for some of it's lack of power but also crush opponents on tracks. Considering it has less power than most of it's competitors and to come out with quicker track times ---> a darn good handling characteristic, i'd say unmatched neither by Audi or Merc.