Mercedes Does Not Copy From BMW!!
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Theres soooo many R-Class on the road where I live now I think it has surpass the E60s. I swear! I see more of them I think.
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Originally Posted by rodybmw' post='308452' date='Jul 9 2006, 02:39 AM
I've always believed that the inspiration for the current E class was Jumba from Lilo & Stitch:
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Originally Posted by JeffNNJ' post='308147' date='Jul 7 2006, 07:56 PM
It has been said many times on this forum that Mercedes either gets inspiration from or even copies BMW. Well, I have concrete evidence to refute this. On the left is the new R-Class Mercedes, a glorified minivan for the clueless upwarly mobile set and on the right is Baird's Tapir, a large ant eater looking animal indiginous to South America. You decide for yourself.
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' post='308163' date='Jul 7 2006, 11:16 PM
Everyday. Theres one at work. They're both just as bad.
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Originally Posted by JeffNNJ' post='308147' date='Jul 7 2006, 10:56 PM
It has been said many times on this forum that Mercedes either gets inspiration from or even copies BMW. Well, I have concrete evidence to refute this. On the left is the new R-Class Mercedes, a glorified minivan for the clueless upwarly mobile set and on the right is Baird's Tapir, a large ant eater looking animal indiginous to South America. You decide for yourself.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='308546' date='Jul 9 2006, 01:29 PM
Based on Fred's numbers the R-Class is outselling the X5. You have to add in X3 sales numbers to beat the R-Class sales - and even then it's not by much. It's moving at least as well as its nearest BMW competitor.
Must be a local thing then. No one has them in DC - very unpopular, and the Benz dealer near my house is literally brimming with unsold ones. A friend of mine test drove one - thought is was really awful. Even with the stellar deal they couldn't make the sale.
The X5 being beaten doesn't surprise me - it's not the same class, and it's -really- long in the tooth.
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Here is a link to an interesting article on the disappointing sales of the MB R-Class:
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/...&ID=5664095
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/...&ID=5664095
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I think the upper range is starved for a bigger vehicle for a family that isn't an SUV or dopey minivan. I like the idea of the M-B and Pacifica, but they have rotten styling. I HATE the fat D-pillar that tapers from top to bottom. I don't get it, and it's the same on both.
Audi had a concept A8 stretch wagon a few years ago, and it was getting there. I think people would buy an expensive stretch wagon without the rotten SUV handling. Make it AWD if you want, but it needs a major sport suspension and huge wheels etc.
The 5-series wagon is big, but not third-row big. I would love to get one of the M5 wagons when they come out (spy photos have confirmed they will build some). But that isn't big enough for some.
I would even be open to a minivan concept in a European sport vehicle, pretty close to the MB but just not totally ugly like that. Sliding side doors, third seat, but still low to the ground with a taut suspension and sporting looks.
My 545 will have to do for a while. (BTW: I would have bought the 545 wagon if it were available here, just for the extra space for kid stuff.)
Audi had a concept A8 stretch wagon a few years ago, and it was getting there. I think people would buy an expensive stretch wagon without the rotten SUV handling. Make it AWD if you want, but it needs a major sport suspension and huge wheels etc.
The 5-series wagon is big, but not third-row big. I would love to get one of the M5 wagons when they come out (spy photos have confirmed they will build some). But that isn't big enough for some.
I would even be open to a minivan concept in a European sport vehicle, pretty close to the MB but just not totally ugly like that. Sliding side doors, third seat, but still low to the ground with a taut suspension and sporting looks.
My 545 will have to do for a while. (BTW: I would have bought the 545 wagon if it were available here, just for the extra space for kid stuff.)
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Originally Posted by tab545' post='308934' date='Jul 10 2006, 11:26 AM
I think the upper range is starved for a bigger vehicle for a family that isn't an SUV or dopey minivan. I like the idea of the M-B and Pacifica, but they have rotten styling. I HATE the fat D-pillar that tapers from top to bottom. I don't get it, and it's the same on both.
I would even be open to a minivan concept in a European sport vehicle, pretty close to the MB but just not totally ugly like that. Sliding side doors, third seat, but still low to the ground with a taut suspension and sporting looks.
I would even be open to a minivan concept in a European sport vehicle, pretty close to the MB but just not totally ugly like that. Sliding side doors, third seat, but still low to the ground with a taut suspension and sporting looks.
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Originally Posted by JeffNNJ' post='308160' date='Jul 8 2006, 12:11 AM
Ever see a Pontiac Aztek??