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Old 10-22-2008, 09:01 PM
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Look it all Apple stuff inside.
This is what BMW should do, a office in the car

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Old 10-22-2008, 09:10 PM
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Nice, but I still wonder how long before Hyundai shakes its bottom feeder image and name.
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Originally Posted by alexf9496' post='700750' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:10 PM
Nice, but I still wonder how long before Hyundai shakes its bottom feeder image and name.
1) When they change the name from Hyundai to something else.

2) When they stop using plastic fake wood interior trim.

3) When they actually start doing some real engineering on their own, instead of copying or buying old technology from other manufacturers.

4) When they realize that "value for money" is about how good a car is and not about loading a car with tons options and the lowest possible price.

5) When they actually build a car everyone wants regardless of price.

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Originally Posted by pinguhk' post='700746' date='Oct 23 2008, 02:01 PM
Look it all Apple stuff inside.
This is what BMW should do, a office in the car

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The mods probably cost more than the car!
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who cares what the back seat looks and feels like. I enjoy my 530 because it drives great.
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Originally Posted by seoulman' post='702213' date='Oct 24 2008, 07:23 AM
The mods probably cost more than the car!
+1, I was just about to type that...
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Originally Posted by seoulman' post='702210' date='Oct 24 2008, 07:23 AM
3) When they actually start doing some real engineering on their own, instead of copying or buying old technology from other manufacturers.

4) When they realize that "value for money" is about how good a car is and not about loading a car with tons options and the lowest possible price.
To your point 3, the V8 engine in this thing was developed entirely in-house. It actually has a higher specific output per liter than BMW's 4.8 liter engine, and has been getting praise in the reviews. Also, much of BMW's technology - active steering, ARS, night vision etc - was developed by external vendors and not by BMW. This is true of all manufacturers. The reviews in the US press have been positive and also seem to contradict your point 4) too.
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='702232' date='Oct 24 2008, 11:42 PM
To your point 3, the V8 engine in this thing was developed entirely in-house. It actually has a higher specific output per liter than BMW's 4.8 liter engine, and has been getting praise in the reviews. Also, much of BMW's technology - active steering, ARS, night vision etc - was developed by external vendors and not by BMW. This is true of all manufacturers. The reviews in the US press have been positive and also seem to contradict your point 4) too.
Sure James...
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='702232' date='Oct 24 2008, 07:42 AM
The reviews in the US press have been positive and also seem to contradict your point 4) too.
No contradiction there dude. If you take a look at Hyundai and their "bang for the buck" marketing strategy, you start seeing similarities to VW and their Phaeton. Awesome motor, low price point, etc...., but, where are the sales? VW is having a tough time upscaling their image, very much like what Hyundai is facing. Toyota, Ford, GM, Nissan all realized this years ago and came out with Lexus, Lincoln, Caddilac, and Infiniti.
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Originally Posted by alexf9496' post='702284' date='Oct 24 2008, 11:35 AM
No contradiction there dude. If you take a look at Hyundai and their "bang for the buck" marketing strategy, you start seeing similarities to VW and their Phaeton. Awesome motor, low price point, etc...., but, where are the sales? VW is having a tough time upscaling their image, very much like what Hyundai is facing. Toyota, Ford, GM, Nissan all realized this years ago and came out with Lexus, Lincoln, Caddilac, and Infiniti.
I'm not sure I buy your VW/Hyundai comparison. Might I remind you that VW AG is the largest auto maker in Europe (3rd largest in the world) and counts among it's marques, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti & Lamborghini, I'd roll out that lineup against the manufacturers you mentioned above any day, (I'll leave the Porsche angle out....still in flux I think.) Hyundai is not even in the same universe. As for image, I think VW does quite well with todays consumer. Their products, especially the GLX variants, have been outstanding in fit, finish, engineering and quality of materials. The failure of the Phaeton was due to hubris on the part of Ferdinand Pi?ch who, having revived and elevated the fortunes on VW AG thought it a good idea to set out after MB's S-class instead of building on the Jetta & Passat's success. The result was a car with stunning features/options, great looking interior, dull uninspired exterior and performance, high price tag, and strange unpronounceable name to boot. A classic case of overreaching.


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