mmitev

Probably asked a million times elsewhere, but could not find a definitive answer..
Has anyone fitted the following tyre sizes on an RWD E61 non-M/non-x and can report of any rubbing or no rubbing?

1) E63 19-inch wheels & tires?
Front: 245/40/19 on 19x8.5 ET14
Rear: 275/35/19 on 19x9.0 ET18

2) E60 M5 19-inch wheels & tires?
Front: 255/40/19 on 19x8.5 ET12
Rear: 285/35/19 on 19x9.5 ET28

The ETs are not that important at the moment - I have and will get spacers if needed, I am mostly interested in whether tires with such profile height will fit in there? I just like to have some more rubber on the wheels...

3) Do you think size 265/35/19 on 19x8.5 will fit in the front fender of a stock E61?

Thanks

kErb

Hi Mmitev

I'm sure others will chime in, but I think the tyre sizes you are looking will be too big and will catch / rub.

I looked at this for a long time and eventually went with M167 wheels on 245/35/19 (19 x 8.5" ET12) on the front and 275/30/19 (19 x 9.5" ET17) on the rear. The ET on the rear is critical to avoid rubbing on the inner arches, so you would need spacers as you say for the M166 wheel in option 2.

Also if you have a higher profile the overall rolling diameter would be larger than standard giving a false reading on your speedometer.

NavarroOne

I'm buying summershoes now and just browsed the E61 forum for the keyword "wheels". Took me a few hours to put this together which you may find useful:

E61 Touring wheel setup
Standard:
16" for 520i and 17" for other motorizations to make sure the brakes have enough space inside the rim.
M-sports package gives you 18" or 19" 245x40x18" all around.

Various modified setups:
Jyrki69 ? friend: 20´s with 8,5 ET13 front and 10 ET19 back.
Anzafin: 20X8.5" front & 20 X 10" rear ET20 with 5mm spacer at front - Tyres 245/30 R20 front and 285/25 R20 rear
Kuu14: 245/30 R20 ET15 front and 285/25 R20 ET22 on 8.5" / 9.5" with 5mm spacers in the rear
MVD: 8.5x20 et35 245/30 & 10x20 et35 285/25. 20mm spacers front/rear. Had 285/30 on rear but rubbed constantly
Scorcher: AC Schnitzer Type IV Racing Black Magic Multipiece 20? with 15mm rear and 20mm front spacers
Dutch530i recommendation: 19's 245x35x19 on the front and 275x30x19 on the back
Ivano: BMW 167 straight from an M6, m5 will not fit as et28. front 245x35x19" et12 - back 275x30x19" et17
Mop: Alpina Classic 19x8.5" ET12 - 245/35 R19 and 19x9.5" ET17 - 275/30R19. Same as M6 wheels - no need for spacers
Pigapumbu: M172 8.5 and 9.5 with 10mm spacers to fill out the wheel arches nicely. Andy545 same setup.
Bimmerstyle: RH AK Phoenix 8,5x19 + 9,5x19 and also Style 128reps in 9x19 and 10x19"
Dave530: Hartges 9 x 20 ET18 with 245/30/20 tires and rear Hartges 10 x 20 ET16 with 275/25/20 tires
+ AC Schnitzers 9.5 x 20 ET20 with 245/30/20 tires and rear AC Schnitzers 10.5 x 20 ET18 with 275/25/20 tires
+ Replica style 128 9 x 19 ET22 with spacer 15mm and rear 10 x 19 ET 14 no spacer

I summarized the above info in a spreadsheet as follows:

mmitev

Thanks for chiming in guys, but I know the 19'' sizes you recommend will fit - after all, these are the stock E60/61 19'' tire sizes. I wanted to know if fitting tires with higher profile is possible.

And after some further research I found the answers - see below:

YES these will fit (E60 for sure and E61 most certainly).
See info here:
https://5series.net/forums/topic/107...oys-on-an-e60/
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=152789
http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/view...hp?f=5&t=74770
Also, this is the stock tire size for the Alpina B5/S and B5/S Touring!

Members "TheRacerBoss" and "baggedlvintegra" on this forum have this exact set-up, the latter one also with OEM E63 wheels. I presume fitting the rear tires will be no problem on an E61 as well, as they are only 9'' wide, and lots of people here have fitted 10'' rear wheels on the E61. I have posted pic in the next post.

Just almost fit a E60... :thumbsdown:
A guy on a German forum tried fitting stock wheels straight from the M5 and got rubbing only at the front outer fenders only at larger bumps. As mentioned above, the same tire on a E63 front wheel with ET 14 might just work.

No info on that just yet, but I will report if I find something or I test it myself

mmitev

Some more info on the stock E63 sizes from another forum, before I post pics in the next post. I found this post very helpful, although what he says is simply common sense:

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/view...hp?f=5&t=74770

Question:
"Hi guys, i just bought a new set of Breyton 19" staggered rims for 525D E60.
The front rims are 9"x19" and the back are 10"x19". Im hoping to get a 40 profile on there as Ireland is the pothole capital of europe

If i disregard rolling radius is there any chance i can put 35 or 40's on the rear? and 35 or 40's on the front?
There is no way they will last a month with 30's"

Answer:
"Well, you could oversize by 5% of the aspect ratio, which would result in an overall diameter increase of 1 inch. That's about the maximum. If you oversize any more, the wheels will not clear your spring seats anymore. Oversizing by 1 inch is not a big problem, I did it with my 20" wheels, as I didn't fancy the "somebody painted the rim edge black" look with a 285/25 on the rear. That would then be the sizes the 6 series runs. 245/40/19 front and 275/35/19 rears. That's it. No higher aspect ratio possible. By oversizing one inch you will incur the following. The car overall will be slightly raised in height (don't matter only half an inch).

The speedo will have NO positive tolerance anymore, it will be near to 100% accurate. So if before doing 55 was a genuine 50, it will now be 55 exactly. Keep that in mind when passing speed cameras etc. Speedo diff will also be a milometer difference. The accumulated miles will now also be pretty much accurate, so don't be surprised if you see a slight consumption drop on your brim to brim to brim calculations, as with less revolutions of the larger wheels the shown collected mileage will be less on the milo.
Some positive aspects are that you will have a half decently comfy ride and the wheels will fill the arches more, too, so less prominent gap between wheel and arch.

If this confused you, the simple answer is, yes you can do it, but only by 5% on the aspect ratio."

mmitev

And here are the pics with E63 wheels & tires, and Eibach Pro Kit springs (afaik 25 mm drop from stock):







And the same E63 tyre sizes on M5-style wheels (rear offset is M6, and rear wheel is now 9.5 instead of 9.0 wide) and I believe stock sports suspension:

NavarroOne

I'm looking at a set of 19" E60 Mwheels with the 9.5" wide rear and 275/30 tires. I know BMW makes an E61 specific version with ET18 but the one I'm getting has ET32. What I'd like to know is:

a) is it REQUIRED to get e.g. a 10mm or 15mm spacer to fit the wheels on my msport touring?
b) is it RECOMMENDED to get e.g. a 10mm or 15mm spacer to make the wheels fill my wheel well better, on my msport touring?

NavarroOne

my questions are amply answered here... ah yes, the search function does work from time to time...

https://5series.net/forums/topic/849...elspeiche-172/

augmented by this https://5series.net/forums/topic/667..._xBMWx__st__15

In summary, yes it is required; TUV suggested 15mm to be on safe side. It is thus also of course recommended. Tyres can be balded if not using a spacer and it is a legal requirement from TUV as well.

I'll be looking for a 30mm spacer set then with 42mm bolts which should add a good euro 100 to the wheelsetup cost.

mmitev

Are these the Style 172 wheels?
AFAIK it is REQUIRED to put a 10-15 mm spacer, as otherwise the wheel will rub on the inside of the fender well (towards the air suspension).

If I recall correctly, there is a specific topic about this here in the forum, as initially (pre-LCI) the 172s were not allowed on the Touring, while after the LCI they were allowed without any actual changes - BMW just put front wheels with ET18 on the rear of the Toruing. But people wanted the staggered set-up and used spacers. Do a search and I think you will find actual reports from members.

EDIT: Ok you used the search function faster than I responded...

NavarroOne

thanks mate, I found the thread and reached exactly that conclusion. will be ordering 15mm spacers when I get the wheels (172m's).