4th place Lexus GS450h
0-60 in 5.5 seconds 1/4 mile 14.1@103mph skidpad 0.81 g's Lane change 63.0 mph 70-0 in 176 feet 70 cruise...66 dba overall gas 20 mpg Steering 2, Brake 2, Handling 7, Ride 9, fun to drive 11, total points 175 3rd place Mercedes Benz E550 Sport 0-60 in 4.8 seconds 1/4 mile 13.4@106 mph skidpad 0.84 g's Lane change 58.8 mph 70-0 in 170 feet 70 cruise...67 dba overall gas 17 mpg Steering 3, Brake 3, Handling 7, Ride 8, fun to drive 17, total points 197 2nd Place BMW 550i Sport 6 speed Auto 0-60 in 5.2 seconds 1/4 mile 13.7@104 mph skidpad 0.89 g's Lane change 65.1 mph 70-0 in 161 feet 70 cruise...66 dba overall gas 17 mpg Steering 5, Brake 4, Handling 10, Ride 9, fun to drive 22, total points 209 1st Place Infiniti M45 Sport 0-60 in 5.9 seconds 1/4 mile 14.5@100 mph skidpad 0.85 g's Lane change 63.6 mph 70-0 in 160 feet 70 cruise...69 dba overall gas 16 mpg Steering 5, Brake 4, Handling 9, Ride 9, fun to drive 21, total points 210 Does anyone else want any more info from the comparison???? |
Originally Posted by BimmerGuyFL' post='337874' date='Sep 23 2006, 03:59 PM
2nd Place BMW 550i Sport 6 speed Auto
0-60 in 5.2 seconds 1/4 mile 13.7@104 mph skidpad 0.89 g's Lane change 65.1 mph 70-0 in 161 feet 70 cruise...66 dba overall gas 17 mpg Steering 5, Brake 4, Handling 10, Ride 9, fun to drive 22, total points 209 1st Place Infiniti M45 Sport Does anyone else want any more info from the comparison???? |
Haven't got my copy yet, presumably it was the price adjustment that kept the 550 from first place?
That Merc looks fast!! |
when did the merc e get to 4.8 0-60???
and i dont know why inifiniti made no.1 it onlly better in the braking from 70 with one foot...???? |
Originally Posted by swajames' post='337885' date='Sep 23 2006, 07:50 PM
Haven't got my copy yet, presumably it was the price adjustment that kept the 550 from first place?
That Merc looks fast!! Ray Hull |
Originally Posted by madoon' post='337887' date='Sep 23 2006, 05:02 PM
when did the merc e get to 4.8 0-60???
and i dont know why inifiniti made no.1 it onlly better in the braking from 70 with one foot...???? |
Originally Posted by Ray Hull' post='337888' date='Sep 23 2006, 05:09 PM
Nah, blame it iDrive! and this "other M's" advertising budget. :lol:
Ray Hull |
Well as tested price the 550i was 71K while the M45 was 56K, they said a 15K difference was a big enough difference to have the M45 first place. here is some extra information.
Weight, weight distribution front/rear BMW 550i 4048 lbs, 50.1/49.9 Infiniti M45 sport 4082 lbs, 53.6/46.4 Lexus GS450h 4183 lbs, 50.4/49.6 Mercedes E550 sport 4039 lbs, 51.8/48.2 Lexus GS450h Highs: uptown interior, user friendly secondary controls, delivers on performance -hybrid promise. Lows: Numb steering, endless cycling of CVT, asthmatic powertrain sounds. Verdict: Engineering that's easy to appreciate in a car that's hard to love. Mercedes Benz E550 Highs: Megawatt muscle, understated good looks, seven-speed automatic. Lows: Flaccid handling responses, noisy HVAC system, seven-speed automatic manual mode. Verdict: A superb cross-country ride, but hold the decreasing radii. BMW 550i Highs: Unerring dynamics, seductively smooth power, superb seats(comfort seats). Lows: Exasperating iDrive, skimmpy small-object stowage, clutch-your-heart price. Verdict: A flawless driving machine diminished by pricey options and an infernal device. Infiniti M45 Sport Highs:Playful spirit, sports-car steering, excellent chassis, lots of room, best buy of the bunch. Lows: Chessy Alumalook plastic dashboard trim, lane-departure warning system. Verdict: Even without the price advantage, a top-notch, no-excuses player in the luxo-sports-sedan game. |
"Flawless driving machine..."
That sums it up nicely! :) |
I still don't get it. I test-drove an M45 for quite a while and was TOTALLY unimpressed. Actually, I was soooooooooo happy to be back in my E60. It had acceleration, but didn't have a connection to the road, the inside kinda looked like old people (better Lincoln), it just felt disconnected from everythin, not as bad as the Lexus I drove, But still..........
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What is wrong with these people and their inability to use the I-drive with ease??? :mad: It's so easy to use and this is the first BMW I've owned.
Makes me regret not spending an extra $15k to get the 550i :doh: |
Originally Posted by Leburpor' post='337919' date='Sep 23 2006, 10:01 PM
What is wrong with these people and their inability to use the I-drive with ease??? :mad: It's so easy to use and this is the first BMW I've owned.
As far as the M45, it's a nice car, no doubt, but it's no "flawless machine" that's for sure. :) |
No point in us all being in collective denial guys - we may as well take this continued iDrive criticism on the chin, because by and large it's basically fair and it's basically right. iDrive may have been one of the first of its type, and as a concept its undoubtedly the right thing to do - it's clearly here to stay. The problem is that in its current incarnation the software and interface is slow, it is buggy, and it is relatively unintuitive and inelegant. On Nav Pro cars it's particularly sluggish. I can't really accept that its just that these journalists don't get it, and it's not just because BMW was first to market with this system that it gets a lot of flak. I don't necessarily care for journalists opinions either, but the iDrive interface and user experience as it stands really isn't fit to be in an E60. The cars are mechanically flawless and handle like a charm - but unfortunately the electronics are not really engineered to the same standard (according to JD Power themselves, iDrive is what cost BMW the lost places in the recent round of satisfaction surveys). Personally, I spend big and early adopt on technology, the more I can get in my car the better and iDrive should be a total home run for me but, sadly, it isn't as the stuff we get to play with in our E60's is, unfortunately, pretty second rate. I'm convinced it will get better, I've got no doubt the Gen 2 iDrive will be *much* better, but there's little point in making excuses for the current versions or saying that the pretty much universal condemnation of iDrive is wrong and we're all right. :doh:
And I write all of this as a happy E60 owner who otherwise *loves* his car! :D Rant over! o:) |
Barron's also had a review of the 550i in today's edition (Sep 25).
"Outside: This sedan looks chunky and not very pretty. Indside: It's close to, yes, the perfect driving machine. The fiercely heavy clutch makes smooth takeoffs rare, but feed power through the six gears and the 550i is a jet. I loved the handling and head-up display, which projects speed and other data on the windshield. The active roll control makes turns stable and flat. The thermal night vision is fun, but you must look down to use it, taking your eyes off the road. Downer: the still impossible iDrive climate, radio and navigation control." |
Ok, granted that the I-drive is not perfect, not as quick as it could be and apparently buggy occasionally. However, look at the words these journo's used:- "exasperating I-drive", "impossible I-drive"
I doubt they are trying to display the breadth of their vocabulary in the choice of words so I conclude that these guys can't be competent with basic computer usage. Either that or I must be a genius....hmm...that IS a possibility :think: :rolleyes: :D |
Originally Posted by Leburpor' post='337946' date='Sep 23 2006, 11:07 PM
Ok, granted that the I-drive is not perfect, not as quick as it could be and apparently buggy occasionally. However, look at the words these journo's used:- "exasperating I-drive", "impossible I-drive"
I doubt they are trying to display the breadth of their vocabulary in the choice of words so I conclude that these guys can't be competent with basic computer usage. Either that or I must be a genius....hmm...that IS a possibility :think: :rolleyes: :D |
Originally Posted by swajames' post='337935' date='Sep 24 2006, 12:34 AM
No point in us all being in collective denial guys - we may as well take this continued iDrive criticism on the chin, because by and large it's basically fair and it's basically right. iDrive may have been one of the first of its type, and as a concept its undoubtedly the right thing to do - it's clearly here to stay. The problem is that in its current incarnation the software and interface is slow, it is buggy, and it is relatively unintuitive and inelegant. On Nav Pro cars it's particularly sluggish. I can't really accept that its just that these journalists don't get it, and it's not just because BMW was first to market with this system that it gets a lot of flak. I don't necessarily care for journalists opinions either, but the iDrive interface and user experience as it stands really isn't fit to be in an E60. The cars are mechanically flawless and handle like a charm - but unfortunately the electronics are not really engineered to the same standard (according to JD Power themselves, iDrive is what cost BMW the lost places in the recent round of satisfaction surveys). Personally, I spend big and early adopt on technology, the more I can get in my car the better and iDrive should be a total home run for me but, sadly, it isn't as the stuff we get to play with in our E60's is, unfortunately, pretty second rate. I'm convinced it will get better, I've got no doubt the Gen 2 iDrive will be *much* better, but there's little point in making excuses for the current versions or saying that the pretty much universal condemnation of iDrive is wrong and we're all right. :doh:
And I write all of this as a happy E60 owner who otherwise *loves* his car! :D Rant over! o:) I think the journalist's issues with iDrive are not due to the speed of the interface, they just don't "get it." Once iDrive-like interfaces are more common in other cars (which is clearly the future), they'll begin to "get it" and reserve their judgement to issues of speed, bugs, etc. Right now, they're just not open-minded enough to accept this type of interface on a widesread basis. That said, it's true that iDrive, in it's current iteration, isn't the greatest. Sure, it's an improvement over the "original" iDrive that the 7-Series used but newer cars (non-BMW) have taken the concept much further. (Actually, I've never seen the E90 iDrive system so I don't know how much, if any, it's improved over the E60.) My recent experiences are with a brand new M-B S-class. I haven't had enough time with it yet to fully evaluate things (pro and con) but I will say that the new COMAND interface is much, much, better than the iDrive on our cars. It is blazingly fast, has a very logical layout (for the most part), and just "feels" better. One feature that I think is a particulary great one is the way the voice command works. When you press the voice button on the steering wheel, you hear the familiar "beep" just like in our cars but immediately you are presented with a list of the possible voice commands on the central display. To me, that's a great idea since the biggest problem with voice command is remembering what to say and when to say it. We can only hope that as time goes by, BMW will copy the best features of the others (as they did from BMW) and the hardware processing will get faster and faster too. In a handful of years, these points will hopefully be moot. |
Originally Posted by swajames' post='337885' date='Sep 23 2006, 04:50 PM
Haven't got my copy yet, presumably it was the price adjustment that kept the 550 from first place?
That Merc looks fast!! |
If I-drive responses were quick, it would not be that bad at all. I have Nav and it is annoying. I would also like to be able to hear the radio right away when I get in the car....
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Part of the problem with the journalist's knee-jerk reaction to i-Drive is face saving. After wasting ink for years bashing i-Drive its pretty hard to all of a sudden say, "Oh, now I get it! I was wrong."
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Originally Posted by BimmerGuyFL' post='337874' date='Sep 23 2006, 05:59 PM
Lexus GS450h
Lane change 63.0 mph Mercedes Benz E550 Sport Lane change 58.8 mph BMW 550i Sport o Lane change 65.1 mph Infiniti M45 Sport Lane change 63.6 mph We all realize that there is only one car and we all have it - they others know they made the wrong choice! :wow: |
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