e60/m5 losing touch
01-26-2007, 08:12 PM
#1
Senior Members
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: White Hall, Arkansas
Posts: 298
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: Retired 2008 535i Titanium-silver with sport, premium, steptronic, NAV, HUD
Retired 2006 525i
Just read the autospies article on m5 vs s6 vs e63amg.
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
01-26-2007, 08:53 PM
#2
Contributors
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 21,274
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: Mini Cooper
Originally Posted by juventus' post='383928' date='Jan 27 2007, 01:12 PM
Just read the autospies article on m5 vs s6 vs e63amg.
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
01-27-2007, 04:31 AM
#3
Contributors
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Winter Park, FL
Posts: 2,298
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2005 545i (SMG)
Titanium Gray
Black Interior, Anthracite Trim
M-tech kit
Sport Package
Premium Sound
Satellite Radio
Active Cruise
Comfort Seats
Navigation
Folding rear seats
Originally Posted by juventus' post='383928' date='Jan 27 2007, 12:12 AM
Just read the autospies article on m5 vs s6 vs e63amg.
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
Automag writers typically don't know their ass from a hole in the ground....
Plus, there is a lot of anti-BMW bias out there in the media. How boring would their jobs be if they told the truth and said BMW was the best all the time?
I think in the article they tested the manual M5, while the others were not. Apparently the M5 is way better with SMG. So it was an unfair test. But making unfair tests against BMW is common. Remember a couple of years ago when the Swedish automag did a handling test of several cars, including the E60? They turned off the DSC and DTC, and then made the BMW swerve badly in a test. But they didn't say in the article that the traction control was turned off. But when they tested the competing cars, they left traction control on. VERY dishonest. They were intentionally trying to make BMW look bad.
Anyway, BMW saw this test, and conducted it again on their own.... but with DSC and DTC on.... and it passed with flying colors. They had the writers from that magazine present when they re-tested.... just to shove their noses in it. Classic.
01-27-2007, 04:51 AM
#4
Senior Members
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: sofia / london
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by juventus' post='383928' date='Jan 27 2007, 05:12 AM
Just read the autospies article on m5 vs s6 vs e63amg.
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
M5 was last. This is not the only article,; there are others as well.
Any thoughts
all the time! F10 M5 will regain the crown
01-31-2007, 06:06 PM
#5
Contributors
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Jose, California, USA
Posts: 4,119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2008 Porsche 911 Carrera S Convertible. Midnight Blue, 6 Speed.Retired - 2007 997 Carrera S, Midnight Blue, Grey leather, premium audioRetired - 2007 550i, Monaco Blue over Beige, Navigation, Logic 7, Cold Weather Pack, Comfort Access, Sport Package
Model Year: 2008
Originally Posted by subterFUSE' post='384022' date='Jan 27 2007, 05:31 AM
Automag writers typically don't know their ass from a hole in the ground....
Plus, there is a lot of anti-BMW bias out there in the media. How boring would their jobs be if they told the truth and said BMW was the best all the time?
I think in the article they tested the manual M5, while the others were not. Apparently the M5 is way better with SMG. So it was an unfair test. But making unfair tests against BMW is common. Remember a couple of years ago when the Swedish automag did a handling test of several cars, including the E60? They turned off the DSC and DTC, and then made the BMW swerve badly in a test. But they didn't say in the article that the traction control was turned off. But when they tested the competing cars, they left traction control on. VERY dishonest. They were intentionally trying to make BMW look bad.
Anyway, BMW saw this test, and conducted it again on their own.... but with DSC and DTC on.... and it passed with flying colors. They had the writers from that magazine present when they re-tested.... just to shove their noses in it. Classic.
Plus, there is a lot of anti-BMW bias out there in the media. How boring would their jobs be if they told the truth and said BMW was the best all the time?
I think in the article they tested the manual M5, while the others were not. Apparently the M5 is way better with SMG. So it was an unfair test. But making unfair tests against BMW is common. Remember a couple of years ago when the Swedish automag did a handling test of several cars, including the E60? They turned off the DSC and DTC, and then made the BMW swerve badly in a test. But they didn't say in the article that the traction control was turned off. But when they tested the competing cars, they left traction control on. VERY dishonest. They were intentionally trying to make BMW look bad.
Anyway, BMW saw this test, and conducted it again on their own.... but with DSC and DTC on.... and it passed with flying colors. They had the writers from that magazine present when they re-tested.... just to shove their noses in it. Classic.
BTW one of the tests was with SMG.
02-01-2007, 05:46 AM
#6
Members
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ya, remember that the E60 M5 is the "oldest" car in that test.
When BMW unveils their newest lines they are ALWAYS the best and win every comparison to the current offerings by other manufacturers, it usually takes Audi and Mercedes a couple of years to retaliate, and often times it's not even enough (case in point, every S4 ever built)
When BMW unveils their newest lines they are ALWAYS the best and win every comparison to the current offerings by other manufacturers, it usually takes Audi and Mercedes a couple of years to retaliate, and often times it's not even enough (case in point, every S4 ever built)
02-21-2007, 12:25 PM
#7
Senior Members
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Bucharest, Romania
Posts: 6,458
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by swajames' post='386124' date='Feb 1 2007, 07:06 AM
There have been a number of consecutive tests with the same outcome. I really don't think it has anything to do bias, the other cars are just better packages. The most common complaint levelled against the automotive media is that there is a bias in favor of BMW.
BTW one of the tests was with SMG.
BTW one of the tests was with SMG.
Don't let a test/mag change your opinion. See other post regarding the S6 vs 550i LCI.
I know that the M5 is still the king. No car can dethrone it now: not the pumped up A6, not the E63 AMG and for sure nothing else (that includes that nonsense Masserati). Until the new RS6 comes out, the M5 still rules them all. Then we'll see what's what.
02-21-2007, 06:43 PM
#8
Contributors
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Jose, California, USA
Posts: 4,119
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My Ride: 2008 Porsche 911 Carrera S Convertible. Midnight Blue, 6 Speed.Retired - 2007 997 Carrera S, Midnight Blue, Grey leather, premium audioRetired - 2007 550i, Monaco Blue over Beige, Navigation, Logic 7, Cold Weather Pack, Comfort Access, Sport Package
Model Year: 2008
Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='394001' date='Feb 21 2007, 01:25 PM
Ya ya! I still don't buy it. Plus US gets the watered-down LC and the slightly reduced power as far as i know. Not searching for excuses cuz i know even so the M5 will win hands down.
Don't let a test/mag change your opinion. See other post regarding the S6 vs 550i LCI.
I know that the M5 is still the king. No car can dethrone it now: not the pumped up A6, not the E63 AMG and for sure nothing else (that includes that nonsense Masserati). Until the new RS6 comes out, the M5 still rules them all. Then we'll see what's what.
Don't let a test/mag change your opinion. See other post regarding the S6 vs 550i LCI.
I know that the M5 is still the king. No car can dethrone it now: not the pumped up A6, not the E63 AMG and for sure nothing else (that includes that nonsense Masserati). Until the new RS6 comes out, the M5 still rules them all. Then we'll see what's what.
.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
umichchris
Private Member Classifieds
1
09-10-2015 12:54 PM