I hope this will not happen. :thumbsdown:
why sell the main heart of the company. :thumbsdown:
it will make BMW engines trademark look low end of the market.
I think it is wise to keep a this trademark product to yourself and not give it to your competitors.

Please all of you tell me what you guy & girls think of this.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/28/bmw-in-...to-gm-and-fiat/

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Are you serious? Is there an article that you found? Please post. Remember that GM and BMW are collaborating on Hybrid systems...And also for a period of time didnt GM collaborate with BMW on their automatic transmissions?

Not just GM & Fiat.

Citroen, Lotus, and Mercedes Benz are looking to use BMW engines too.

Sorry forgot to copy and paste
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/28/bmw-in-...to-gm-and-fiat/

if that so then it would be good
BMW will be like Microsoft.
Mast of the car makers will be BMW tranformed :P

I dont like the idea... go make your own engine! BUt then again its always a business move... if BMW can make a profit... they'll do it.

Pingu , where did you read this ??

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well if BMW can buy Tranny from GM, I dont see why they wont sell Engine to GM, I dont like the idea , BMW is the last standing original Machine, i mean say loads of Mercs are similar to Chrysler and Mitsubishi products, Audi has its common parts with VW with almost same kind of feel at times, Most Lexus's are like blown up toyota's , BMW has been the only one which still remain exclusive ..... not just made by analyst who predict sharing common parts would lower the cost and increase profit and we the consumers buy a $80k LS460 which looks and feels like the new CAMRY lol

try this
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/28/bmw-in-...to-gm-and-fiat/

If it happens, it'll be interesting to see if BMW gives up it's latest technology or keeps it for themselves. Even if it sells GM engines that are a few years old in development or design, they'll still be light-years ahead of the stuff GM is putting out... ;)

Well...BMW is cutting 8100 jobs - 7.5% of their total staff. If selling a few low-end engines helps generate enough profit to ensure there is enough continued revenue for R&D and high-end development projects, I say go for it. Somewhere there's financial internal bleeding. I'd rather see BMW remain profitably independant, than become a pawn in some conglomerate's portfolio.

There is nothing new about this.

You need to know that in the past BMW has sold for example Diesel engines to Opel (part of GM). Few years back you could buy a new Opel Omega diesel (not that any right-minded would :P ) with BMW 6-cylinder engine here in Europe.

I don't think this move makes BMW look bad, only the competitors may benefit from better engines.

They are talkin about V8s :|

BMW sell a V8 to Morgan. Then again, they're not exactly GM when it comes to production numbers :).

Andrew

Well, the four cylinder petrol engine in the Mini is made in cooperation with Peugeot, so the idea is not too far fetched.

The only engine Fiat Group might need is a diesel V8 for the Maserati Quattroporte if they will decide to equipe it with a diesel .

Otherwise... A good 6 cilinders diesel for the new Alfa Romeo 169 that will be released in some years .

For the rest .. They have good little diesel engines (from 1.3-90 HP to 1.9-200 HP) and all the petrols they want (Maserati/Ferrari) .

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You are referring to overall cars and not specifically engines correct?

If no, then I wouldn't say BMW is light years ahead of GM.

Vortec and LS type engines are both solid GM products that perform just as well as any BMW motor, require less maintenance (which is very user friendly) and cost thousands less.

Hopefully more engines = reduced cost per engine = less expensive BMWs

If 535i (due to platform sharing with GM) cost $30000 would you still buy one.

Before you answer; hint, all Camry, accord drivers already switch to 535i on their garages.

true. business will always be business and the market will set the prices.
think of it this way if every other car manufacturer wants to put a BMW engine in their cars what does that really say about BMW?
well it says that BMW produces better and more reliable engines HANDS DOWN.
i really don't care if they do it but if they do if it will defintely increase awareness about the BMW brand and the reliability of their engines.
why else would other car manufacturers want to add BMW engines to their cars?
well one thing would be cost but i seriously doubt BMW is going to be selling there engines at a significant discount and if they do +1 for BMW owners.
now you'll be able to buy a "BMW" engine at a discount if yours somehow get trashed. :)

It's all good ! The financial impact will be positive to BMW and helps offset R&D costs , A GM will always be a GM ( some just might have a better motor or tranny ) :D

POWER :devil: :thumbsup:

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This gives BMW a good reputation for their fine built engines. It benefits both BMW and competitors and gives BMW enthusiasts more confidence in riding in a Bimmer.

No - I'd buy two!!!!!

I fully support it based on these two facts:

1) more engines in production (and put in more American cars) means that more and cheaper aftermarket parts and performance parts will be developed and available,

and

2) more mechanics will learn how to work on them, so it will be easier to find non-dealers to service them when they are out of warranty.

Both of those are good for BMW owners.

In the mid '80's BMW diesel engines were an option in Lincoln's. One of the benefits was I could buy oil and air filters at a lower price by going to my local L-M dealer. The diesel engines were also installed in a mid-sized recreational vehicle ... think it was called a Viper (no relation to the current Dodge).

Regarding the GM situation, even if BMW give them their engines, they might not give them the software. The Double VANOS technology is something I would imagine they would like to keep in their own house. So really it could come down to how GM's development engineers sort out getting the max out of the BMW motor (shouldnt be that hard to do) right???

IMO BMW makes the best small displacement 6 cylinder motors on the planet, so I think it would be interesting to see if GM adapts BMW motors in some of their sedans.

You will never see a BMW motor in a GM truck, SUV, or sports car.