This article recently appeared on MSN:

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...mentid=1164870

They can be as long as we're talking about modes of transportation. Same as you can compare the best Air Jordans or top of the line New Balance running shoes to Payless shoes - they are both shoes, just in different leagues :thumbsup:

i dunno i had a hyandi for 6 years beat the shit outta it and it never gave me one expense bill for a repair. thats qality if u ask me

Car & Driver did a review of the Hyundai Genesis and had this to say:

"Beware of any automotive pundit who tells you this Genesis is superior to a BMW 5-series, but keep in mind that it does provide plenty of features and ability for five figures less than a base 535i."

Read the whole article here:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad_test_update

Do you suppose if you were able to invest a couple thousand dollars in suspension, wheel, and tire upgrades the differences would narrow even further? Or would you just have a reliable, comfortable, roomy, sedan with lots of easy to use features and technology?

Remember, this C&D update was written after auto magazine staff [they are about as kind to cars as bull fighters are to bulls!] beat the 2009 Genesis for 40,000 miles. Anyone out there want to talk about their e60s that had been subjected to that abuse :confused:

Hyundai has made it known that they have vehicles planned to target the BMW 3-series and the Lexus RX. Depending on the sales result of the Genesis and Equus, they may spin-off luxo competitors under the Genesis brand.

Car magazines have touted various FWD vehicles as 3-series competitors. I don't see how FWD dynamics can be the same or superior to the RWD driving experience. The phrase "3-series" means very different things to those who have driven a BMW and those who have not. Does it means price, features, technology, interior room, driving experience, ownership experience, manufacturer standard and extended warranties, etc? If Hyundai offers their 100,000-mile/10-year warranty for their hybrid vehicles, combined with any available federal and state financial incentives, they makes a compelling case for a commuter vehicle, in order to keep one's toy(s) safe in the garage.

The Hyundai Genesis are RWD models . . .

The more we reject the reality that our cars are now being comparable to hyundai's; the more bmw will keep lagging being innovation.

Lets face it guys our cars are not very reliable, most folks on here sell there 5 once warranty runs out. For the premium prices we pay - everything should be top notch. The 5 doesn't seem like a car for long keeps unless its in the hands of someone willing to constantly maintain/repair it. Maintenance isn't even that big of an issue or expensive, its the constant repairs... two different things.

I would not get a hyundai, ever. Besides maybe reliability theres not much else to their name. I'd rather go with lexus or honda. BMW better start realizing the competition nowadays is getting tougher... staking everything on their luxury "brand name" alone aint gonna cut it. Either ways, there will be people (like us lol) who will more than likely remain loyal to BMW but as things looks... i may have to go with Mercedes for my next purchase.

The article posted in the OP didn't actually make any kind of comparison between the brands...

It was simply reporting, quite correctly, that the F10 and the 2011 Sonata had both received five stars - and were the only cars to do so in the first batch of cars tested - in the new for the 2011 model year revised crash tests...

To be honest, i didnt even read the article hahah...
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however, since the topic was about bmw and hyundai i felt it was somewhat relevant to address the subject of "innovation." Hyundai improved milestones from their past in such short time - if BMW had such drastic improvements it would be amazing to see what they could produce!

There's no question that Hyundai is on a roll - sales are up, their product has never been better and they feel comfortable standing behind it with a stellar warranty. The established top tier brands ought to be paying very close attention. Neither Mercedes nor BMW felt Lexus was going to be serious threat to them when the Lexus brand was launched. Lexus finished 2010, once again, as the top selling luxury brand in the US...

Hyundai's new product is good enough to have warranted a relaunch under a new brand, and it's clear that they have all the top tier brands in their sights. To their credit, Hyundai wanted the new product (Genesis, Equus and Sonata) to reflect positively on the entire brand so they've kept them in the family. But I think anyone who underestimates where this brand is headed does so at their peril.

Hyundai has come a long way the past decade. I bet most of the people saying "I'll never buy a Hyundai" are the ones that saw Hyundai back in the mid 80's to 90's. If Hyundai keeps up their positive trend, I bet 10-15 years from now when current high school kids start earning decent money, Hyundai will not be at the bottom of the list when looking for a new car purchase.

Maybe so, maybe I am too old, because I do remember the Hyudai Excel (what a POS that was). And sine knowing many people who owned Hyudais and Kias and THEY considered them crappy. I just haven't gotten over the mindset that Hyundai and Kia are cars for those people who couldn't get approved for the car they really wanted, that's why you never see just a Kia dealer, it's always attached to another dealership.
"Sorry Jim, we just can't get you approved for the car you wanted" - "But I need a new car" - "Have you seen the Kia............."

HA ha...Yeah I had friends that had the Excel and it was a POS. :lol: I heard Hyundai actually put steel or lead weights on the doors in order to get that heavy solid feel that German cars have. :lol:

I'm happy with Hyundai's trend. It provokes more competition especially in price with the top tier brands.

True, if the heavier competition spurs BMW to include more standard features we can only benefit from it. Seems like it's starting already too, the new X3 has HD radio, BT and iPod connectivity standard (according to Roundel). I'll still never consider owning a Hyundai, but if the competition makes BMW's better it's still a win win for us all :thumbsup:

I hate to admit it, but I was one of those unfortunate owners. Got a demo fully loaded for about $8k. I guess I've come a long way, baby! :thumbsup:

+1 Some of the shapes of their new vehicles are very nice.