JoseSportM

Maybe Audi must learn how to build an engine, because with 2 turbos and MTM chip to 500hp wasn't enough to beat the M5 E39 400hp and congratulations to M3 Csl With 360hp can follow this 2 cars

JetBlack5OC

Audi can make engines. Audi's 1.8T is one of the most tuner friendly engines to come out of Germany. Their 4.2 liter V8 has won many awards and is bulletproof. There was also the 2.7 Biturbo in the S4 and A6, great poweplant. And now the monster RS6 Biturbo V10.

AlexFW

Wow, great autobahn, I love it!

PS :
I suggest to change that 'Schweiz' with the english name otherwise nobody will understand .

JoseSportM

But Audi always put turbos in the engine to they can play in the next level and BMW no. Imagine if you put an Turbo in E60 M5 maybe it goes to 800hp, I already see An M3 CSL of 360hp with turbo and the final power was over 900hp. With a AUDI RS4 with 2 Turbos tell me how can you put it with 900hp , if Audi dont use turbos how much HP will you get in the engine?

JetBlack5OC

RS4 (no turbos) - 420 hp

M3 (no turbos) - 414 hp

JoseSportM

Yes only last RS4 is a NON turbo but lets see what i find in Wikipedia:

B7 Powertrain (RS4)
Power comes from a 4163 cc, V8 32-valve Fuel Stratified Injection (FSI) engine (code BNS). This is a highly reworked high-revving variant from the old 4.2 L V8, having cylinder-direct fuel injection, and 4 valves per cylinder, instead of 5. It has two chain-driven double overhead camshafts (DOHC) per cylinder bank. It produces a total output of 420 PS (414.3 hp/308.9 kW), over 100 PS (99 hp/74 kW) per litre. Its a 4.2L Engine

M3 E92
This S65B40 is a naturally aspirated, high revving 4-litre V8 (based on the S85B50 5-litre V10 that powers the E60/E61 M5 and the E63/E64 M6 to date) delivers 420 DIN-hp (309 kW, 414 SAE-hp) at 8,300 rpm and peak torque is 400 N?m (295 ft?lbf) at 3,900 rpm.
Its a 4.0L engine.

And the test proves this:

JetBlack5OC

Its really a non argument. Turbos are the future. 335i has I6 TT, X6 has I6 TT and V8 TT, new 7-seris has V8 TT and V12 TT. Also next M5 is rumored to have twin turbos.

BetterMakeWay

Then if the next M5 will have turbos or if BMW plans to get turbos into all the M cars i will never buy an M. That means i gotta hurry up with the actual M3...errr future M3 CSL

Non turbo M cars are one of the best engines on Earth. The prizes they won confirm that. Way better IMHO than Audi.