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11-16-2006, 11:34 PM
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Hydrogen is a big joke.
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
And when you look at the 7 series... Two questions remain unanswered. Why only in the 7er 6.0 L 12 cylinder engine and where do I store my golf clubs?
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
And when you look at the 7 series... Two questions remain unanswered. Why only in the 7er 6.0 L 12 cylinder engine and where do I store my golf clubs?
11-30-2006, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceman' post='357248' date='Nov 17 2006, 01:22 PM
Hydrogen is a big joke.
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
11-30-2006, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dlevi67' post='362090' date='Nov 30 2006, 06:10 AM
What I don't understand is what's the point of burning hydrogen in an internal combustion engine. Power a fuel cell, generate electricity directly and use electric motors which are frankly much better than Otto or Diesel engines, if you can do so without an overall negative energy balance.
Hydrogen may be economical in countries with lots of geothermal activity such as what we see in the North Atlantic. It has promise but limited in its application. However, we'll never be ready for the technology if some one isn't pushing the technology. I think it's great that BMW has been working on this for so many years.
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Originally Posted by Iceman' post='357248' date='Nov 17 2006, 09:22 PM
Hydrogen is a big joke.
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
And when you look at the 7 series... Two questions remain unanswered. Why only in the 7er 6.0 L 12 cylinder engine and where do I store my golf clubs?
It doesn't save the environment and in the end it will be just as expensive as petrol today.
It takes so much energy to make hydrogen that this is not saving anything.
And when you look at the 7 series... Two questions remain unanswered. Why only in the 7er 6.0 L 12 cylinder engine and where do I store my golf clubs?
you will need to get a M5 to put your golf bags
12-01-2006, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ImolaRedM' post='362276' date='Nov 30 2006, 10:17 PM
Show me a commercial fuel cell that can power a car that doesn't cost as much as a 7 series? Also a hydrogen IC engine can be produced on the same production line as a gasoline engine.
Hydrogen may be economical in countries with lots of geothermal activity such as what we see in the North Atlantic. It has promise but limited in its application. However, we'll never be ready for the technology if some one isn't pushing the technology. I think it's great that BMW has been working on this for so many years.
Hydrogen may be economical in countries with lots of geothermal activity such as what we see in the North Atlantic. It has promise but limited in its application. However, we'll never be ready for the technology if some one isn't pushing the technology. I think it's great that BMW has been working on this for so many years.
12-01-2006, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dlevi67' post='362644' date='Dec 1 2006, 02:10 PM
Well, except that your remarks on technology apply equally to fuel cells. If no-one starts, we'll never get there. Having said that, you have a point, at least in terms of hydrogen production.
These alternative fuels are supposed to be good for the environment (and that is very debateable), but some of the gasoline based cars today can nearly produce water from their tailpipe..they burn VERY clean.