JetBlack5OC

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swajames

You keep saying this, and it's wrong. The X6 50i is not lighter than the Cayenne.

BetterMakeWay

Guys pleaase compare apples to apples. Edmunds did NOT compare the Xdrive 50i fairly as the car heads agains the Cayenee Turbo not the Cayenne S. Cuz if they were subjective enough or smart enough in their statements, they would have said the X50i spanks the hell out of a Cayenne S or GTS or whatever. But let's talk about weight as presented in the BMW international webiste and Porsche German website.

There you'll find the weights.


In fact here i will post them again for people that have eyes
X6 X35i:
Weight in kg
Unladen weight EU 2,145
Maximum permissible weight 2,670
Permitted load 600
Permitted axle load front/rear 1,280/1,470

Cayenne S: Schaltgetriebe Tiptronic
Leergewicht nach DIN 2.225 kg 2.245 kg
Leergewicht nach EG-Richtlinie 2.300 kg 2.320 kg
Zul. Gesamtgewicht 3.080 kg 3.080 kg

Cayenne GTS:
Leergewicht nach DIN 2.225 kg 2.245 kg
Leergewicht nach EG-Richtlinie* 2.300 kg 2.320 kg
Zul. Gesamtgewicht 3.080 kg 3.080 kg

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X6 X50i:
Weight in kg
Unladen weight EU 2,265
Maximum permissible weight 2,840
Permitted load 650
Permitted axle load front/rear 1,400/1,520

Porsche Cayenne Turbo:
Leergewicht nach DIN 2.355 kg
Leergewicht nach EG-Richtlinie 2.430 kg
Zul. Gesamtgewicht 3.080 kg

WHAT ISN'T CLEAR HERE???

How can i be wrong? How can i keep saying this bringing proof from OEM SITES and you say it's wrong?! Ok so both Porsche and BMW don't have a clue what their cars weigh?!

BetterMakeWay

Jet this is ridiculous. Because a car has in the papers written 5 seats or 5 people that doesn't mean 5 adults will fit perfectly in the car. Trust me!!! Or maybe you wana try the back seat of a GT3 that has also room for accomodation of at least 2 people

Please stop with the 319 pounds more. Look at my post above. Go to www.bmw.com and www.porsche.de It's that simple.

For sure the X6 is not a sports car but who said it is?!?!?!!?

About the M3 please...i've sat in it, i'm no Gozilla but i'm a regular guy at 5.7 (85kgs) and i found that the back seat is ok only for short city drive from one pub to another but i don't think is ok at all for 3 people unless they all come from Somalia, so please stop the BS.

trojan.525i

i know you were kidding but i don't mind criticizing something that needs to be criticized. I do love BMWs but its not my fav car which would be a Porsche. 911 GT2 to be precise...

JetBlack5OC

Not everyone does it.

Range Rover - $78,450

Range Rover Sport - $59,000

snkpkp

i will stop hating the x6 if they make the f10 twice better than the e60 lol come on BMW dont loose me to Audi in 2011......You can do It...

swajames

What isn't clear? You're comparing the 6 cylinder X6 to a V8 Cayenne!!!

When you compare the equivalent models, the X6 is indeed heavier.

The V8 X6 is, in fact, heavier than all of the V8 Cayenne models. As we've been saying all along!



Later edit - I see JetBlack already spotted this too.

BetterMakeWay

People!!!

OK DEEP BREATH, let's take it this way: (like for infants)

1. Can the Cayenne (no S, no turbo just the basic) be compared to the X35i? IMO NO! Because it has no real competition basis. For example:

Edmunds quoate: "The Cayenne's base V6 engine has been derided as too weak to sit beneath a Porsche hood, yet now we think it's a worthy entry-level offering. The angle between the V6's cylinder banks shrinks from 15 degrees to 10.6 degrees, while displacement grows from 3.2 liters to 3.6 liters. The V6 now pumps out 290 horsepower and 283 pound-feet of torque, some 43 hp and 54 lb-ft more than last year. Porsche claims 0-60-mph acceleration drops from about 9.5 seconds to the low 8-second bracket."
Source: http://www.porsche.com/germany/models/caye...cs/?gtabindex=1

Ring any bells? Too weak for a Porsche yet worthy of entry-level !!!!

Now let's see the specs compared to one another:

First up the Porsche:

Schaltgetriebe Tiptronic
Motor Hubraum 3.598cm? 3.598cm?
Leistung 213 kW (290 PS) 213 kW (290 PS)
bei Drehzahl 6.200 1/min 6.200 1/min
Max. Drehmoment 385 Nm 385 Nm
bei Drehzahl 3.000 1/min 3.000 1/min
Verdichtungsverh?ltnis 12,3 : 1 12,3 : 1
Schaltgetriebe Tiptronic
Fahrleistungen H?chstgeschwindigkeit 227 km/h 227 km/h
Beschleunigung 0 - 100 km/h 8,1 s 8,5 s
Beschleunigung 0 - 160 km/h 20,1 s 20,6 s
Elastizit?t (80 - 120 km/h) 9,9 s 10,2 s
Leergewicht nach DIN 2.160 kg 2.170 kg
Leergewicht nach EG-Richtlinie 2.235 kg 2.245 kg
Zul. Gesamtgewicht 2.945 kg 2.945 kg

And now entry level BMW X6 X35i (petrol):

Capacity in ccm 2,979
Stroke/bore in mm 89.6/84.0
Max. output in kW (PS) at 1/min 225 (306)/5,800-6,250
Max. torque in Nm at 1/min 400/1,300-5,000
Unladen weight EU 2,145
Maximum permissible weight 2,670
Permitted load 600
Permitted axle load front/rear 1,280/1,470
Performance
Drag (cw) 0.34
Top speed (km/h) 240
Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h (in s) 6.7
Acceleration 0 - 1,000 m (in s) 27.2
Acceleration 80 - 120 km/h in 4th/5th gear (in s) -/-

Direct competitors??? NO! Why? Because first of all the X6 with it's turbo set-up simply blows away the doors of that Porsche with only slightly more power but more torque and less weight 2145 vs 2170. That means simply that the entry level X6 is way superior than the entry level Porsche.

Ok since we don't have 4 models of petrol X6 like the standard, S, GTS, Turbo we will have to find the proper competitors hence the X35i vs Cayenne S and the turbo V8 to the turbo V8.

2. Thus we have:

X35i data as shown above.

Cayenne S:
Motor Hubraum 4.806 cm? 4.806 cm?
Leistung 283 kW (385 PS) 283 kW (385 PS)
bei Drehzahl 6.200 1/min 6.200 1/min
Max. Drehmoment 500 Nm 500 Nm
bei Drehzahl 3.500 1/min 3.500 1/min
Verdichtungsverh?ltnis 12,5 : 1 12,5 : 1
Schaltgetriebe Tiptronic
Fahrleistungen H?chstgeschwindigkeit 252 km/h 250 km/h
Beschleunigung 0 - 100 km/h 6,6 s 6,8 s
Beschleunigung 0 - 160 km/h 15,7 s 15,7 s
Elastizit?t (80 - 120 km/h) 8,6 s 8,8 s
Leergewicht nach DIN 2.225 kg 2.245 kg

From the figures posted above wouldn't it seem that it's more common sense to compare the two even though the Cayenne S has the obvious advantage of displacement that's being compensated by the turbo BMW (not as much as hp/torque) but at least in weight?!
This comparo validates even more what i'm saying regarding the true competitor. Even though Cayenne S has over 80 bhp more and 100 more NM the BMW is quicker to 60 (6.7 vs 6.8).

Then we get to the big boys where the same thing happens, more or less, the V8 TT from BMW gets compared to the V8 TT of the Cayenne. THE BMW IS THE LIGHTER ONE as shown in my post above.

I will never write again on this topic. From my point of view this is the correct way to compare the two cars.

PS: 319 pounds = 144.69596603 kgs so i dunno where the guys from Edmunds took their facts but the weight of the two cars, even if we were to compare them is: 2245 for the Cayenne S vs 2265 for the X50i

That's 20 kgs if my math is correct, yes? That results in 44.09245243697551 pounds in favor of the Porsche. NOT 319 !

I say again, stop the BS and please think this again before putting head to head the Cayenne S with the X50i.

swajames

You're flogging a dead horse, and still you're wrong! The point under issue, in this and other threads, was whether or not the X50i was lighter than the V8 Cayenne. It isn't. The S, GTS and Turbo are lighter than the X6 50i.

The Porsche Cayenne Turbo, per Porsche USA, has an official curb weight of 5,192 lbs. The X6 50i, per Edmunds, Automobile and MotorTrend, is 5,269lbs. The bigger differences mentioned in other threads between the X6 50i and the Cayenne S/GTS (the GTS, for example, is 4949lbs).

No one was discussing the I6 X6, or the V6 Cayenne anyway. The discussion about weight first arose on the GTS thread.