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07-18-2005, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 04:22 AM
The young bucks don't know jack.
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07-18-2005, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Jul 18 2005, 06:18 PM
[quote name='cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 04:22 AM']The young bucks don't know jack.
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[/quote]Not derogatory by any means, it's the way there were trained. Slice and dice so that they specialize in one area or another. Not enough gray hair to have seen it all and be a real "systems" engineer. The really experienced systems folks have retired. There are very few in the middle with significant experience hands on as many went away during lean years or could only grow into management.
Not meant to belittle young bucks, after all we all had to be "young bucks or buckettes at some point
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Originally Posted by cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 05:48 PM
[quote name='EBMCS03' date='Jul 18 2005, 06:18 PM'][quote name='cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 04:22 AM']The young bucks don't know jack.
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[/quote]Not derogatory by any means, it's the way there were trained. Slice and dice so that they specialize in one area or another. Not enough gray hair to have seen it all and be a real "systems" engineer. The really experienced systems folks have retired. There are very few in the middle with significant experience hands on as many went away during lean years or could only grow into management.
Not meant to belittle young bucks, after all we all had to be "young bucks or buckettes at some point
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[/quote]You're very right... Boeing is having that problem right now... not enough "younger" or middle aged people to take over once the older ones retire... the average age at my site is ummm 57 believe it or not! They're trying to play catch up. Its going to be tough! Things are learned through experience not school... school gets you the basics and then the rest is on your own... *I think...*
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Originally Posted by cobradav' date='Jul 19 2005, 03:48 AM
[quote name='EBMCS03' date='Jul 18 2005, 06:18 PM'][quote name='cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 04:22 AM']The young bucks don't know jack.
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[/quote]Not derogatory by any means, it's the way there were trained. Slice and dice so that they specialize in one area or another. Not enough gray hair to have seen it all and be a real "systems" engineer. The really experienced systems folks have retired. There are very few in the middle with significant experience hands on as many went away during lean years or could only grow into management.
Not meant to belittle young bucks, after all we all had to be "young bucks or buckettes at some point
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[/quote]"Slice and dice" that's very well put!
I have always been "broom for every use" and have seen that development too: Specialist company which have focused in special area of expertise and have lot of special experts as employes! Have these specialists "one track mind"?
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07-19-2005, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cobradav' date='Jul 18 2005, 01:22 PM
They just brought in a 74 year old hired gun (real systems guy).? The young bucks don't know jack.
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Once you guys don't need him anymore, send him to Munich...
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Not derogatory by any means, it's the way there were trained. Slice and dice so that they specialize in one area or another. Not enough gray hair to have seen it all and be a real "systems" engineer. The really experienced systems folks have retired. There are very few in the middle with significant experience hands on as many went away during lean years or could only grow into management.
Not meant to belittle young bucks, after all we all had to be "young bucks or buckettes at some point
same in my space (enterprise software) - i'm 36, and i'm supposed to cover mainframe technology. i'm struggling, as the more senior folks in my group are amused by my bewilderment with z/OS and JCL.
Not derogatory by any means, it's the way there were trained. Slice and dice so that they specialize in one area or another. Not enough gray hair to have seen it all and be a real "systems" engineer. The really experienced systems folks have retired. There are very few in the middle with significant experience hands on as many went away during lean years or could only grow into management.
Not meant to belittle young bucks, after all we all had to be "young bucks or buckettes at some point
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[/quote]same in my space (enterprise software) - i'm 36, and i'm supposed to cover mainframe technology. i'm struggling, as the more senior folks in my group are amused by my bewilderment with z/OS and JCL.
07-20-2005, 06:58 PM
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