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10-06-2011, 12:19 PM
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Great that people, even two years after the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bankruptcy, is reacting against the complete idiotic and fully negligent banking behavior. 
Smart greedy idiots are always a great danger. Just think how much these assholes costs us normal hard working taxpayers WORLDWIDE!
Smart greedy idiots are always a great danger. Just think how much these assholes costs us normal hard working taxpayers WORLDWIDE!
10-06-2011, 12:22 PM
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Great that people, even two years after the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bankruptcy, is reacting against the complete idiotic and fully negligent banking behavior.
Smart greedy idiots are always a great danger. Just think how much these assholes costs us normal hard working taxpayers WORLDWIDE!
Smart greedy idiots are always a great danger. Just think how much these assholes costs us normal hard working taxpayers WORLDWIDE!
10-06-2011, 06:19 PM
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I think, for one, it's much worse that there are calls for civil unrest from Anonymous, being answered by all these douchebags, who HAVE NO FUKIn CLUE WHY THEY ARE THERE, protesting... you guys realize that these people have no demands?!?! I mean, how much more retarded do people get?! Not much more. If you are an intelligent productive human being, you would look for results - no? What results are they trying to achieve, other than disruptions? This is fukn retarded! I almost hope armed forced disburse this bullsht. If you want to achieve anything, you need to have a clear goal. Otherwise, these people are sheepeshly sitting it out there for NO CAUSE... 
Don't get me wrong - I believe the ENTIRE economic system is flawed. First, it's pivoted on growth, which is unsustainable logically - logically, we need to have negative growth in order to survive as humanity and save this planet from being ruined by our refuse. Second, there's SO much corruption out there, but the corruption in finance is limited to, maybe, a few dozen people, while there are THOUSANDS of corrupt people in the government. Yes, I said it. And you KNOW it's true. Third, any type of unrest is just cause for more unrest. You may not all know it, but I have first-hand experience living in a revolutionary country, and believe me, once this shit starts, it does NOT end until so many people are dead or in jail, that there's no one left to fight for ANY cause anymore. The way to do it is to get military personnel to detain all corrupt officials and executives in one swift, and preferably quiet, unpublicized operation. Then announce emergency election to hold a temporary congress, that will bring the democracy up to date, using all our sophisticated technology, that every one of us has these days. And then, we elect a proper government. And we uphold, ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, the Constitution of the United States. As for all these fukks who let this country, and the world, get to this state - gitmo. No trial, no lawyer, no jury - just like they did to us.
But protests?! Gimme a fukn break! These people are sheep. And they deserve to be run as such, then. That's ALL this protest is showing the execs and the corrupt officials.
Don't get me wrong - I believe the ENTIRE economic system is flawed. First, it's pivoted on growth, which is unsustainable logically - logically, we need to have negative growth in order to survive as humanity and save this planet from being ruined by our refuse. Second, there's SO much corruption out there, but the corruption in finance is limited to, maybe, a few dozen people, while there are THOUSANDS of corrupt people in the government. Yes, I said it. And you KNOW it's true. Third, any type of unrest is just cause for more unrest. You may not all know it, but I have first-hand experience living in a revolutionary country, and believe me, once this shit starts, it does NOT end until so many people are dead or in jail, that there's no one left to fight for ANY cause anymore. The way to do it is to get military personnel to detain all corrupt officials and executives in one swift, and preferably quiet, unpublicized operation. Then announce emergency election to hold a temporary congress, that will bring the democracy up to date, using all our sophisticated technology, that every one of us has these days. And then, we elect a proper government. And we uphold, ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, the Constitution of the United States. As for all these fukks who let this country, and the world, get to this state - gitmo. No trial, no lawyer, no jury - just like they did to us.
But protests?! Gimme a fukn break! These people are sheep. And they deserve to be run as such, then. That's ALL this protest is showing the execs and the corrupt officials.
10-07-2011, 05:28 AM
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Its quite comical actually, I walked over yesterday for some laughs during lunch, the press and TV make things out to be so spectacular, but there really arent many people there, its more cops and media than protesters for the most part, with organized labor assisting now and then to get some free press.
If they are tired of being unemployed, go out and get a job, everyone starts at the bottom and works their way up, the in this case, many in the country believe they are born into a priviledge to get the top job right out of school, rather than take the path of hard work and dedication that make success possible. Im sure that just about everyone in this sit-in protest would say the loved Steve Jobs and Apple and everything he gave to the world, and rightly so as he empitomizes the American Dream. But, you think they would take a minute to learn about how it made it? Where he came from and what he had to do to get started? It wasnt with a silver spoon in his mouth, and it wasnt that he was given anything by anyone. It was his own desire to succeed at all costs, to work and scrounge around to make it happen, sometimes no knowing where he'd sleep or how he'd eat, but today, as the President reiterated last week, though mistakenly from his supportes point of view, he noted that many Americans have gotten SOFT, and that was the ultimate truth. There is no hunger to succeed, just the desire to be successful. It doesnt work that way, you have to fight every day tooth and nail to survive, take what comes your way, and then one day you'll just realize you made it happen.
I agree that they should be allowed to assemble because that is the most American of rights, but they are so misguided, they really need to go sit in front of the White House if they wanted to make a point, as everything is controlled from that location, not NYC. Wall St is even on Wall street anymore, its across the US in "low cost" areas, and across the world, all thanks to the bs policies and misguided regulations that merely move jobs across the world, not change the isssue. I love how its always anti-capitalism, anti-republican when anyone will tell you that the Dems actually are more represented in "wall st" than any other political group. Tax-cheat Treasury Sec Tim Guitner the biggest of Dems was the head of Goldmans, and until recently mr Dimon (JPMC) was the biggest of Ohhbahama supporters.
Protest the Congress, the House, the Senate, and the White House, those are the rainmakers, and then go sit out at the AFL and CIO and all the other so called organized labor movements. WHile they served a purpose long ago when there were actual sweat factories, now a days they just ensure that no manufacturing is done in the US and the millions of jobs, and ultimately tax revenue, along with them that could have supported those in need.
Come up with a demand at least, an idea of how to make it better perhaps, rather than following the rantings of the ultimate hypocrite in the country, aka, Michael Moore, the mega-multi millionaire capitalist. He has enjoyed all the rewards of capitalism as he robbed the masses for admission tickets, while he sleeps in his mansions and is limoed from private airplane to private airplane. Its funny he hasnt renouced his fortunes and decided to become a monk or something living in poverty, no-no-no, he hangs out in hollywood and goes to the most expensive restaurants in the world, and laughing all the way to the bank, all the while the clueless masses follow his ever word. Talk about a true pariah, the epitome of this movement.
If they are tired of being unemployed, go out and get a job, everyone starts at the bottom and works their way up, the in this case, many in the country believe they are born into a priviledge to get the top job right out of school, rather than take the path of hard work and dedication that make success possible. Im sure that just about everyone in this sit-in protest would say the loved Steve Jobs and Apple and everything he gave to the world, and rightly so as he empitomizes the American Dream. But, you think they would take a minute to learn about how it made it? Where he came from and what he had to do to get started? It wasnt with a silver spoon in his mouth, and it wasnt that he was given anything by anyone. It was his own desire to succeed at all costs, to work and scrounge around to make it happen, sometimes no knowing where he'd sleep or how he'd eat, but today, as the President reiterated last week, though mistakenly from his supportes point of view, he noted that many Americans have gotten SOFT, and that was the ultimate truth. There is no hunger to succeed, just the desire to be successful. It doesnt work that way, you have to fight every day tooth and nail to survive, take what comes your way, and then one day you'll just realize you made it happen.
I agree that they should be allowed to assemble because that is the most American of rights, but they are so misguided, they really need to go sit in front of the White House if they wanted to make a point, as everything is controlled from that location, not NYC. Wall St is even on Wall street anymore, its across the US in "low cost" areas, and across the world, all thanks to the bs policies and misguided regulations that merely move jobs across the world, not change the isssue. I love how its always anti-capitalism, anti-republican when anyone will tell you that the Dems actually are more represented in "wall st" than any other political group. Tax-cheat Treasury Sec Tim Guitner the biggest of Dems was the head of Goldmans, and until recently mr Dimon (JPMC) was the biggest of Ohhbahama supporters.
Protest the Congress, the House, the Senate, and the White House, those are the rainmakers, and then go sit out at the AFL and CIO and all the other so called organized labor movements. WHile they served a purpose long ago when there were actual sweat factories, now a days they just ensure that no manufacturing is done in the US and the millions of jobs, and ultimately tax revenue, along with them that could have supported those in need.
Come up with a demand at least, an idea of how to make it better perhaps, rather than following the rantings of the ultimate hypocrite in the country, aka, Michael Moore, the mega-multi millionaire capitalist. He has enjoyed all the rewards of capitalism as he robbed the masses for admission tickets, while he sleeps in his mansions and is limoed from private airplane to private airplane. Its funny he hasnt renouced his fortunes and decided to become a monk or something living in poverty, no-no-no, he hangs out in hollywood and goes to the most expensive restaurants in the world, and laughing all the way to the bank, all the while the clueless masses follow his ever word. Talk about a true pariah, the epitome of this movement.
10-07-2011, 07:31 AM
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I think, for one, it's much worse that there are calls for civil unrest from Anonymous, being answered by all these douchebags, who HAVE NO FUKIn CLUE WHY THEY ARE THERE, protesting... you guys realize that these people have no demands?!?! I mean, how much more retarded do people get?! Not much more. If you are an intelligent productive human being, you would look for results - no? What results are they trying to achieve, other than disruptions? This is fukn retarded! I almost hope armed forced disburse this bullsht. If you want to achieve anything, you need to have a clear goal. Otherwise, these people are sheepeshly sitting it out there for NO CAUSE...
Don't get me wrong - I believe the ENTIRE economic system is flawed. First, it's pivoted on growth, which is unsustainable logically - logically, we need to have negative growth in order to survive as humanity and save this planet from being ruined by our refuse. Second, there's SO much corruption out there, but the corruption in finance is limited to, maybe, a few dozen people, while there are THOUSANDS of corrupt people in the government. Yes, I said it. And you KNOW it's true. Third, any type of unrest is just cause for more unrest. You may not all know it, but I have first-hand experience living in a revolutionary country, and believe me, once this shit starts, it does NOT end until so many people are dead or in jail, that there's no one left to fight for ANY cause anymore. The way to do it is to get military personnel to detain all corrupt officials and executives in one swift, and preferably quiet, unpublicized operation. Then announce emergency election to hold a temporary congress, that will bring the democracy up to date, using all our sophisticated technology, that every one of us has these days. And then, we elect a proper government. And we uphold, ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, the Constitution of the United States. As for all these fukks who let this country, and the world, get to this state - gitmo. No trial, no lawyer, no jury - just like they did to us.
But protests?! Gimme a fukn break! These people are sheep. And they deserve to be run as such, then. That's ALL this protest is showing the execs and the corrupt officials.
Don't get me wrong - I believe the ENTIRE economic system is flawed. First, it's pivoted on growth, which is unsustainable logically - logically, we need to have negative growth in order to survive as humanity and save this planet from being ruined by our refuse. Second, there's SO much corruption out there, but the corruption in finance is limited to, maybe, a few dozen people, while there are THOUSANDS of corrupt people in the government. Yes, I said it. And you KNOW it's true. Third, any type of unrest is just cause for more unrest. You may not all know it, but I have first-hand experience living in a revolutionary country, and believe me, once this shit starts, it does NOT end until so many people are dead or in jail, that there's no one left to fight for ANY cause anymore. The way to do it is to get military personnel to detain all corrupt officials and executives in one swift, and preferably quiet, unpublicized operation. Then announce emergency election to hold a temporary congress, that will bring the democracy up to date, using all our sophisticated technology, that every one of us has these days. And then, we elect a proper government. And we uphold, ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE, the Constitution of the United States. As for all these fukks who let this country, and the world, get to this state - gitmo. No trial, no lawyer, no jury - just like they did to us.
But protests?! Gimme a fukn break! These people are sheep. And they deserve to be run as such, then. That's ALL this protest is showing the execs and the corrupt officials.
10-07-2011, 12:30 PM
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The protesters should be more organized, I hope they will be after a while.
Of what I know the whole US constitution is about democracy, not for lobbiest for the guns, candy and fat foods and other shit. Some reports say that 150 mill Americans (half of the population) will be very fat in a decade.
Just raise suger, fat and gas taxes and income taxes for all over a mill income.
And quit all the wars.
I love democracy but when it's going too far it will be despotism or autarchicy again.
And that is not socialism, that is fairness that will rise the US.
Of what I know the whole US constitution is about democracy, not for lobbiest for the guns, candy and fat foods and other shit. Some reports say that 150 mill Americans (half of the population) will be very fat in a decade.
Just raise suger, fat and gas taxes and income taxes for all over a mill income.
And quit all the wars.
I love democracy but when it's going too far it will be despotism or autarchicy again.
And that is not socialism, that is fairness that will rise the US.
10-08-2011, 03:51 AM
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Well, the problem is that in the past two decades, the US Constitution has been amended to the point that some people believe the democracy that was once envisioned by the Forefathers of this country is no longer possible. Whether that's true or not is not my call - I'm not a constitutional scholar. I do know that people in general are not using their rights as intended anymore. But that's really mostly due to laziness and stupidity - not some Wall Street assholes robbing the taxpayers. And while we're on the subject of robbing the taxpayers, let's review how much money was dumped on various other "bailouts", such as auto industry and emerging energy sources...
Bottom line, I agree, you don't like that you don't have enough money to live on? Go and fucking make some! Nobody is supposed to do it for you - and I don't give a shit if you live in Communist Russia or Capitalist U.S.A. Unfortunately, there are always complainers and bitches. The reason I'm upset is because they got these poor schmucks sitting it out there for no good reason. Which really just brings me back to my original point, that ANY - ANY civil unrest, protests and any such thing is just detrimental for the society in which it takes place. I'm not talking about Americans fighting for independence from Britain's Monarchy, or about Russian proletariat beheading the tsarism in 1917... but even if you take those two events, 50% of them were hugely ineffective and extremely destructive to the country and its people.
All revolts begin with some perceived righteous reasons, but you have to consider that the U.S. is an amazingly awesome country - even with all the problems that we have now, it's still the best country in the world to live in. And if you can't make it here, you'll perish anywhere else, for sure! What I'm saying is, protests are bullshit - they aren't accomplishing anything here. If we ever want to change anything, we have to go and change it - fuck this pathetic protest and all the idiots who thought it's a good idea! They aren't out to make life better for any one of us, I promise you! Only you have the power to make your life better. And if you're against all that's unfair, go and impeach the bastards that allowed it to happen. Elect a proper government! Don't bitch and moan and waste more taxpayers resources on getting arrested.
Bottom line, I agree, you don't like that you don't have enough money to live on? Go and fucking make some! Nobody is supposed to do it for you - and I don't give a shit if you live in Communist Russia or Capitalist U.S.A. Unfortunately, there are always complainers and bitches. The reason I'm upset is because they got these poor schmucks sitting it out there for no good reason. Which really just brings me back to my original point, that ANY - ANY civil unrest, protests and any such thing is just detrimental for the society in which it takes place. I'm not talking about Americans fighting for independence from Britain's Monarchy, or about Russian proletariat beheading the tsarism in 1917... but even if you take those two events, 50% of them were hugely ineffective and extremely destructive to the country and its people.
All revolts begin with some perceived righteous reasons, but you have to consider that the U.S. is an amazingly awesome country - even with all the problems that we have now, it's still the best country in the world to live in. And if you can't make it here, you'll perish anywhere else, for sure! What I'm saying is, protests are bullshit - they aren't accomplishing anything here. If we ever want to change anything, we have to go and change it - fuck this pathetic protest and all the idiots who thought it's a good idea! They aren't out to make life better for any one of us, I promise you! Only you have the power to make your life better. And if you're against all that's unfair, go and impeach the bastards that allowed it to happen. Elect a proper government! Don't bitch and moan and waste more taxpayers resources on getting arrested.
10-08-2011, 01:10 PM
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But that's really mostly due to laziness and stupidity - not some Wall Street assholes robbing the taxpayers. And while we're on the subject of robbing the taxpayers, let's review how much money was dumped on various other "bailouts", such as auto industry and emerging energy sources...
Bottom line, I agree, you don't like that you don't have enough money to live on? Go and fucking make some!
All revolts begin with some perceived righteous reasons, but you have to consider that the U.S., it's still the best country in the world to live in. Elect a proper government!
Bottom line, I agree, you don't like that you don't have enough money to live on? Go and fucking make some!
All revolts begin with some perceived righteous reasons, but you have to consider that the U.S., it's still the best country in the world to live in. Elect a proper government!
just to keep the discussion in context.
The Wall Street "assholes" are the auto- and energyindustry and much more, they finance it all.
But who developed the housing loans based on nothing - the same guys.
Who put the money in their pockets: the top managers of the banks.
And who financed it all, the US citizens and soon the whole world.
US is not the best country in the world. Canada and most Nordic counties are way better.
We have a bit of real democracy, the one that The Constitution of the United States is all about.
10-08-2011, 02:05 PM
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I laugh at the Wall Street protests. The US is about equality of opportunity -- NOT equality of results. The opportunity to do well is there for those who do well in school, work hard and/or have great ideas.
That being said, there are people on Wall Street who should have gone to jail over what happened in 2008 and it is a travesty that they got away with what were unquestionably knowingly fraudulent business practices, the consequences of which left our government no choice but to bail out some of those companies to avert what would have been a great depression unseen in this country since 1929.
But the protesters go way too far. The USA is a capitalist country -- not a socialist one. And it is the US economic system that is the engine of so much creativity, new ideas, inventions and productivity. That Apple and Microsoft are from the USA is no surprise. So many inventions and innovations come from the US. It is not that the American people are smarter than those from other countries because they are not. But our system allows new ideas to flourish because this is a country where someone with no money and no connections and no family lineage can still get rich. Socialism, and its almost complete redistribution of wealth slaughters creativity and innovation.
That being said, there are people on Wall Street who should have gone to jail over what happened in 2008 and it is a travesty that they got away with what were unquestionably knowingly fraudulent business practices, the consequences of which left our government no choice but to bail out some of those companies to avert what would have been a great depression unseen in this country since 1929.
But the protesters go way too far. The USA is a capitalist country -- not a socialist one. And it is the US economic system that is the engine of so much creativity, new ideas, inventions and productivity. That Apple and Microsoft are from the USA is no surprise. So many inventions and innovations come from the US. It is not that the American people are smarter than those from other countries because they are not. But our system allows new ideas to flourish because this is a country where someone with no money and no connections and no family lineage can still get rich. Socialism, and its almost complete redistribution of wealth slaughters creativity and innovation.
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I laugh at the Wall Street protests. The US is about equality of opportunity -- NOT equality of results. The opportunity to do well is there for those who do well in school, work hard and/or have great ideas.
That being said, there are people on Wall Street who should have gone to jail over what happened in 2008 and it is a travesty that they got away with what were unquestionably knowingly fraudulent business practices, the consequences of which left our government no choice but to bail out some of those companies to avert what would have been a great depression unseen in this country since 1929.
But the protesters go way too far. The USA is a capitalist country -- not a socialist one. And it is the US economic system that is the engine of so much creativity, new ideas, inventions and productivity. That Apple and Microsoft are from the USA is no surprise. So many inventions and innovations come from the US. It is not that the American people are smarter than those from other countries because they are not. But our system allows new ideas to flourish because this is a country where someone with no money and no connections and no family lineage can still get rich. Socialism, and its almost complete redistribution of wealth slaughters creativity and innovation.
That being said, there are people on Wall Street who should have gone to jail over what happened in 2008 and it is a travesty that they got away with what were unquestionably knowingly fraudulent business practices, the consequences of which left our government no choice but to bail out some of those companies to avert what would have been a great depression unseen in this country since 1929.
But the protesters go way too far. The USA is a capitalist country -- not a socialist one. And it is the US economic system that is the engine of so much creativity, new ideas, inventions and productivity. That Apple and Microsoft are from the USA is no surprise. So many inventions and innovations come from the US. It is not that the American people are smarter than those from other countries because they are not. But our system allows new ideas to flourish because this is a country where someone with no money and no connections and no family lineage can still get rich. Socialism, and its almost complete redistribution of wealth slaughters creativity and innovation.
I would agree with that, this IS a capitalist country. However, the disparity between the haves and have nots is getting much bigger and it is NOT due solely to laziness. The very rich are doing more than ever to protect their wealth and keep it within their social level, including congressman, senators, and the White House.
Look at the constant lack of funding for public education, the fact that the haves can send their children to private schools so they don't care that the public schools suck - in fact they probably prefer it. Then take into account the last round of cuts proposed by the Republicans, they wanted to eliminate HeadStart programs, despite the fact that studies show children who go to preschool are 70% more likely to graduate college. Why did they do this? Certainly not to "save the country" like they like to bullshit. It is not economical, since the cost of HeadStart programs in miniscule. It is social, because those that benefit from are the less fortunate, parents who are just hoping their children have a better future than them, but they want to deny them that.
I am not speaking from experience, I went to private school from preschool to 8th grade and went to a public high school only because I chose to (I was sick of wearing a uniform at the time, then right after high school I enlisted - go figure).
My point is instead of useless programs like farm subsidies and subsidies for oil companies we should focus on making this country live up to the bullshit that have apparently even clouded Vladdy's mind. If you think this is "the land of opportunity" you are sadly mistaken, your chances of making it to even middle class if you're poor are slim to nil. In my view the ONLY thing the government should provide is a GOOD education and healthcare, because without a good education and your health you have no shot at making past minimum wage.
Anyone who starts a conversation with the old tag line: "Anyone can make it in this country" is about to feed you some serious bullshit. That has not been true since before the founding fathers. In this country it's all about who you know (and poor people don't know rich people) and how much your parents made.