H&R recommend 5mm spacers on E61 with OEM 19s (type 128)
12-19-2008, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by xBMWx' post='748652' date='Dec 19 2008, 04:10 PM
Quick update and important info for those considering a similar wheel set up to the following:
Type 128 rims with the following dimensions on the rear:
9,5x19 -- 275/30/R19 -- ET32
The wheel did NOT fit with 5mm or 10mm spacers -- there was rubbing on the inside -- I did not get T?V approval
15mm spacers will be fitted next week. As part of the checks / measurements with the 5mm and 10mm spacers, T?V have already said that they expect the wheels to fit with 15mm spacers. I will provide an update after the T?V inspection next Tuesday...
(Thankfully I have a garage do this all for me -- I owe them big!)
Type 128 rims with the following dimensions on the rear:
9,5x19 -- 275/30/R19 -- ET32
The wheel did NOT fit with 5mm or 10mm spacers -- there was rubbing on the inside -- I did not get T?V approval
15mm spacers will be fitted next week. As part of the checks / measurements with the 5mm and 10mm spacers, T?V have already said that they expect the wheels to fit with 15mm spacers. I will provide an update after the T?V inspection next Tuesday...
(Thankfully I have a garage do this all for me -- I owe them big!)
The 167 M's are ET 17 (perfect) and the 166 M's ET 28 so they will need a 10 mm spacer.
I suppose those are the best choice for a E60 as well.
Interested to hear what happened!
12-20-2008, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricracing' post='748849' date='Dec 19 2008, 08:46 PM
15 mm spacers rear
The 167 M's are ET 17 (perfect) and the 166 M's ET 28 so they will need a 10 mm spacer.
I suppose those are the best choice for a E60 as well.
Interested to hear what happened!
The 167 M's are ET 17 (perfect) and the 166 M's ET 28 so they will need a 10 mm spacer.
I suppose those are the best choice for a E60 as well.
Interested to hear what happened!
Something must be wrong withxBMWx test..
12-21-2008, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by r.a.i.' post='749564' date='Dec 20 2008, 10:29 PM
M166 ET28 do NOT NEED SPACERS. I am driving them and don,t have any problems.
Something must be wrong withxBMWx test..
Something must be wrong withxBMWx test..
I am currently NOT having the M166 ET28 rims fitted, but having the type 128 ET32 fitted. To state the obvious, ET32 means the inside of the rim is closer to the inner arch than an ET28 rim... which is why you are ok with your M166 ET28 and I need spacers for the 128 ET32.
What you also have to remember, is that I am having to get this formally tested and approved by the German authorities (T?V) for insurance purposes. T?V may want to see more space between the rim and the arch than you and I would feel is necessary, i.e. they want to be "extra safe" before they put their approval to it for road safety etc.
To be honest I really don't care what size spacer they use, as long as its safe to drive with -- which is what the T?V testing and approval is all about.
Thanks for the feedback guys, it will be useful next summer when I go through the same process with my M166 ET28 summer set-up... something to look forward to
12-22-2008, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by xBMWx' post='749890' date='Dec 21 2008, 03:30 PM
I am currently NOT having the M166 ET28 rims fitted, but having the type 128 ET32 fitted. To state the obvious, ET32 means the inside of the rim is closer to the inner arch than an ET28 rim... which is why you are ok with your M166 ET28 and I need spacers for the 128 ET32.
What you also have to remember, is that I am having to get this formally tested and approved by the German authorities (T?V) for insurance purposes. T?V may want to see more space between the rim and the arch than you and I would feel is necessary, i.e. they want to be "extra safe" before they put their approval to it for road safety etc.
To be honest I really don't care what size spacer they use, as long as its safe to drive with -- which is what the T?V testing and approval is all about.
Thanks for the feedback guys, it will be useful next summer when I go through the same process with my M166 ET28 summer set-up... something to look forward to
What you also have to remember, is that I am having to get this formally tested and approved by the German authorities (T?V) for insurance purposes. T?V may want to see more space between the rim and the arch than you and I would feel is necessary, i.e. they want to be "extra safe" before they put their approval to it for road safety etc.
To be honest I really don't care what size spacer they use, as long as its safe to drive with -- which is what the T?V testing and approval is all about.
Thanks for the feedback guys, it will be useful next summer when I go through the same process with my M166 ET28 summer set-up... something to look forward to
12-22-2008, 11:05 AM
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well I'll just have to deal with that problem next summer... either I get my M166s to fit (by rolling the outer-arches) or otherwise sell the M166s and buy a set of M172s or another set of 128s with ET32. I just want to fit my 19" 128 winter rims... now!!
thanks for the advice mate, and yes, I am expecting to hear an " I told you so" from you some time next summer...
12-22-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xBMWx' post='750625' date='Dec 22 2008, 09:05 PM
I am expecting to hear an " I told you so" from you some time next summer...
how about 13mm as a compromise solution?
and remember - tell whoever is mounting the spacers to use lots and lots of grease - he might as well use all the vaselin he can find
12-23-2008, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rsyed' post='751128' date='Dec 23 2008, 09:46 AM
me???? i would never do that
how about 13mm as a compromise solution?
and remember - tell whoever is mounting the spacers to use lots and lots of grease - he might as well use all the vaselin he can find
how about 13mm as a compromise solution?
and remember - tell whoever is mounting the spacers to use lots and lots of grease - he might as well use all the vaselin he can find
If this was a Mini or something I could understand all of this, because there is less space under the arches. But using 2mm smaller spacers on a 5er to make it fit ?!?! I simply don't get it -- its all too much for my small brain to understand
Thanks for the advice on the grease, I will call them now! I'll also ask them to take off the existing rust from the hub and rim, i.e. get it all as clean as possible to reduce the bonding.
12-23-2008, 03:03 AM
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ok - let us go through this step by step:
10mm were too little becuase it rubbed on the inside part of the wheel. Which means that an et of -22 (-32 + 10) is not enough to avoid rubbing of a 9,5" wheel with 275s. So T?V recommended taking 15 mm. This means - the 128s now fit perfectly in your touring with overall ET of 17 (-32 + 15 = -17). If you now kept these spacers, and mounted your 166s in summer, then your ET changes, because the 166s have et 28, so your overall ET is 13 (-28 + 15). With ET 13 on 9,5" with 275 wheels, i can tell you now arealdy, that it will stick out too much (probs with the outside part of the wheel rather than the inside you had with 10mm in combination with your 128s).
So my recommendation is spacers with 13mm. This gives you for your winter setup an overall ET of 19 which works because my colleague wiht his touring had it approved by austrian t?v (if you think your t?v is tough, you dont wanna meet ours - they put 300kg of sand at the back of your car when testing the car), and the same spacers will work for your summer set, giving you an overall et of 15 (which i in turn had ok'd on my car without playing aorund extending the body parts)...
and yes, the 2mm makes a big difference, like with any man's body part
10mm were too little becuase it rubbed on the inside part of the wheel. Which means that an et of -22 (-32 + 10) is not enough to avoid rubbing of a 9,5" wheel with 275s. So T?V recommended taking 15 mm. This means - the 128s now fit perfectly in your touring with overall ET of 17 (-32 + 15 = -17). If you now kept these spacers, and mounted your 166s in summer, then your ET changes, because the 166s have et 28, so your overall ET is 13 (-28 + 15). With ET 13 on 9,5" with 275 wheels, i can tell you now arealdy, that it will stick out too much (probs with the outside part of the wheel rather than the inside you had with 10mm in combination with your 128s).
So my recommendation is spacers with 13mm. This gives you for your winter setup an overall ET of 19 which works because my colleague wiht his touring had it approved by austrian t?v (if you think your t?v is tough, you dont wanna meet ours - they put 300kg of sand at the back of your car when testing the car), and the same spacers will work for your summer set, giving you an overall et of 15 (which i in turn had ok'd on my car without playing aorund extending the body parts)...
and yes, the 2mm makes a big difference, like with any man's body part
12-26-2008, 11:23 AM
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10mm should work
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The 10mm failed the T?V approval testing -- they said it was too close to the inner arch. (I think 10mm may have been ok, but T?V probably wants to see more space to be on the safe side??) So the garage ended up fitting the 15mm spacers. As Rsyed pointed out about, this will probably give me problems with my M5 rims in summer, but I might just sell / swap these for M172 rims, which have the same ET32 value as the 128s I just had fitted with the 15mm spacers.
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