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Will an e60 M5 diff fit a non-M e60

Old 08-21-2018, 08:42 AM
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Since I have complete E60 drivetrain fitted to my E61 I will chime in.
First of all at the people saying "stupid question." That's a stupid response.

To OP: Yes, it can fit. How much modification depends on your specific E60 configuration. It looks like you have a 550i so that is great since you are starting with RWD. The diff will bolt up but you will need the drive shaft and the axles. My E61 had some pull rods which required the heat sink to be trimmed quite a bit, not sure what your 550i has down there. The axles and driveshaft are all beefier on the M5 parts so the best way to go about this swap is to get an M5 output flange for your trans, M5 guibo, M5 driveshaft, LSD, and axles. The driveshaft might need to be lengthened/shortened, although there is a change you might be able to make a Franken shaft with 550i front half and M5 rear but again, this warrants more research.

More info on ym setup in my build thread: https://5series.net/forums/e61-touri...ve-all-135223/

I had to buy a NEW M5 trans flange for about $300 but the shaft, diff, axles, new hardware, guibo were all acquired for under $1,000. Factor in a big expense ($550) for my custom driveshaft which is fully rebuilt and essentially brand new, and the complete drivetrain is about the price of these "pnp" LSDs. For me it's a no brainer since I get a strong and complete drivetrain as opposed to a locking diff.

It is important to note the M5 diff has a different internal design than most traditional locking diffs. The M5 uses this Visco-Loc technology which is essentially 2 clutch packs for each side that are activated by hydraulic pressure. The downside of this is these clutch packs can't be serviced which is really frustrating and they require a outrageously expensive gear oil to keep them running quietly. The upside is for absolute grip this design outperms more traditional locking diffs since this can adjust the amount of grip based off which wheel is spinning/hooking etc. Other locking diffs are better for track use and drifting where the lock in instant and consistent, M5 diff is a bit slower to reach and more variable.

For me and my E61 the M5 diff is perfect since I want maximum traction, period. So far I have been VERY impressed with the performance. I converted my E61 from AWD to RWD and was worried about traction issues since the wagon makes 550whp and 530wtq and I limit boost in first gear since but 2nd gear and on are full boost (~24psi) and I only get a chirp here and there it never slips and I never blow off the tires which are a modest size/compound: Hankook V12s 285/35/19. Overall very impressed with the LSD itself and I love having the peace of mind with the beefier M5 drivetrain.

I also swapped my auto trans to manual and the gears are a bit short with the 3.62 FD (something like 3.4 would be ideal for me) but I love driving manual and don't mind shifting gears but I am never going to win any races against an equally matched car with longer gears. Thankfully I built my wagon for driving enjoyment and excitement so winning races isn't a priority.


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Question I have a 2007 530i when i bought it was was called a m5 conversion because i had the m5 body kit a modified muffler and the tranny had been replaced with what i think is a SMG Trans. "The Transmission gears can be changed manually and feels like a manual gear shift not like a auto tranny. But can be driven auto .With a sport button. My diff started making noise along time ago and I didnt know what it was basically i took it to a local bmw shop in Cali and they stated it was my diff. The current diff that is on the cars part number is a BMW 7523094D and shows its not for a M5. its a standard 530i diff. My question is when replacing igt should i put a new standard Diff ..Or Replace it with a M5 lsd diff if my tranny might be a SMG ? Any help would be greatly appriciated since in miss my car lol
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Since I have complete E60 drivetrain fitted to my E61 I will chime in.
First of all at the people saying "stupid question." That's a stupid response.

To OP: Yes, it can fit. How much modification depends on your specific E60 configuration. It looks like you have a 550i so that is great since you are starting with RWD. The diff will bolt up but you will need the drive shaft and the axles. My E61 had some pull rods which required the heat sink to be trimmed quite a bit, not sure what your 550i has down there. The axles and driveshaft are all beefier on the M5 parts so the best way to go about this swap is to get an M5 output flange for your trans, M5 guibo, M5 driveshaft, LSD, and axles. The driveshaft might need to be lengthened/shortened, although there is a change you might be able to make a Franken shaft with 550i front half and M5 rear but again, this warrants more research.

More info on ym setup in my build thread: https://5series.net/forums/e61-touri...ve-all-135223/

I had to buy a NEW M5 trans flange for about $300 but the shaft, diff, axles, new hardware, guibo were all acquired for under $1,000. Factor in a big expense ($550) for my custom driveshaft which is fully rebuilt and essentially brand new, and the complete drivetrain is about the price of these "pnp" LSDs. For me it's a no brainer since I get a strong and complete drivetrain as opposed to a locking diff.

It is important to note the M5 diff has a different internal design than most traditional locking diffs. The M5 uses this Visco-Loc technology which is essentially 2 clutch packs for each side that are activated by hydraulic pressure. The downside of this is these clutch packs can't be serviced which is really frustrating and they require a outrageously expensive gear oil to keep them running quietly. The upside is for absolute grip this design outperms more traditional locking diffs since this can adjust the amount of grip based off which wheel is spinning/hooking etc. Other locking diffs are better for track use and drifting where the lock in instant and consistent, M5 diff is a bit slower to reach and more variable.

For me and my E61 the M5 diff is perfect since I want maximum traction, period. So far I have been VERY impressed with the performance. I converted my E61 from AWD to RWD and was worried about traction issues since the wagon makes 550whp and 530wtq and I limit boost in first gear since but 2nd gear and on are full boost (~24psi) and I only get a chirp here and there it never slips and I never blow off the tires which are a modest size/compound: Hankook V12s 285/35/19. Overall very impressed with the LSD itself and I love having the peace of mind with the beefier M5 drivetrain.

I also swapped my auto trans to manual and the gears are a bit short with the 3.62 FD (something like 3.4 would be ideal for me) but I love driving manual and don't mind shifting gears but I am never going to win any races against an equally matched car with longer gears. Thankfully I built my wagon for driving enjoyment and excitement so winning races isn't a priority.

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Originally Posted by Trevon Trey Keene View Post
Question I have a 2007 530i when i bought it was was called a m5 conversion because i had the m5 body kit a modified muffler and the tranny had been replaced with what i think is a SMG Trans. "The Transmission gears can be changed manually and feels like a manual gear shift not like a auto tranny. But can be driven auto .With a sport button. My diff started making noise along time ago and I didnt know what it was basically i took it to a local bmw shop in Cali and they stated it was my diff. The current diff that is on the cars part number is a BMW 7523094D and shows its not for a M5. its a standard 530i diff. My question is when replacing igt should i put a new standard Diff ..Or Replace it with a M5 lsd diff if my tranny might be a SMG ? Any help would be greatly appriciated since in miss my car lol
It sounds like you bought a car that has some M5 exterior bits but I doubt the owner changed the drivetrain. SMG transmission won't bolt up to the 530i motor so you probably have the stock ZF 6 speed. Your drivetrain is probably all stock as well. I would confirm this with the previous owner and/or a shop. It's a little pointless to discuss compatibility if you are not 100% sure what components you are starting with.
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