M5 Supersprint Exhaust
02-01-2006, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JayEll' post='232979' date='Feb 1 2006, 08:52 AM
holy crap ... that sound is awesome ..
but yes, maybe a little too loud for the street.
but yes, maybe a little too loud for the street.
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Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe 
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
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Originally Posted by cidair' post='233083' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:41 PM
Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
02-01-2006, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cidair' post='233083' date='Feb 1 2006, 04:41 PM
Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Eisenmann claims 8 HP gain!
But what Do you think about the dino result?
02-01-2006, 01:43 PM
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Eisenmann claims 8 HP gain!
But what Do you think about the dino result?
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Ask SuperSprint
dyno is nice, but very difficult to belive although I am 4 SS.
02-01-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cidair' post='233083' date='Feb 1 2006, 04:41 PM
Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Eisenmann claims 8 HP gain!
But what Do you think about the dino result?
dyno is nice, but very difficult to belive although I am 4 SS.
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I don't believe the Supersprint HP claims will hold up as an average over a number of M5's. The 5-10 HP numbers are much more realistic.
The stock exhaust is tuned to give optimum backpressure at lower rpm to maximize the torque. Most aftermarket exhausts lower the backpressure to give more HP in the high rpm range, but lower backpressure can give you less torque at lower rpms. It's pretty normal for an aftermarket exhaust to give up some lower rpm torque to get more HP at higher rpm.
Another tradeoff to keep in mind is although a lot of these systems will save weight, it's generally because they are using thinner gage stainless steel. That means they will be more susceptible to stress and fatique failures over time.
02-01-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter530i' post='232955' date='Feb 1 2006, 07:23 AM
20HP more just by a exhaust???? 
why wouldn't BMW put a better exhaust already?
or you think they make 20HP less on M5 on purpose just by putting bad exhaust??
why wouldn't BMW put a better exhaust already?
or you think they make 20HP less on M5 on purpose just by putting bad exhaust??
It says:
BMW claims OEM is 507 HP
But they dyno'ed the OEM exhaust at 529.8 HP
And they dyno'ed the Supersprint at 543.7 HP.
So the Supersprint is only 13.9 HP more than OEM
(still not bad though)
PS: Although most exhausts do not raise HP by much, keep in mind that it IS possible for some aftermarket exhausts to raise HP by a significant amount. Its rare, but possible. IIRC, the Fabspeed exhaust was known to raise the 996 Turbo's HP by 30-40 HP, and they proved it by dyno'ing it.
02-02-2006, 01:15 AM
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530dA (steptronic), Black II (JET), leather Dakota auburn black, mapple trim, head-up display, dynamic drive, active steering, adaptive xenon headlights (auto levelling) with headlight washers, alarm, comfort seats with massage function, advanced A/C, big compartment armrest, aux-in, MP3, Logic 7, Radio PRO, CD in-dash+cd changer, power rear sunshades, rear airbags, park distance control, auto dimming folding mirrors, smoking package, shiny shadow line (individual), fold down rear seats, ski bag, sport suspension, run flats on �116-style� rims (Good Year NCT5+), cup holders, debadged, fire extinguishers, additional permanent power outlet, BMW coat hanger, trunk release button (installed by Hobi), GPS tracking device and a big thx 2 Iceman.
Mods done:
� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
� Authentic HAMANN EXCLUSIVE FLOORMAT SET In black with HAMANN logo in silver For left-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060 120 For right-hand drive cars Item-No. : 80 060
� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
� CustomAngels, Angel Eyes Brighter than stocks 10X, WHITE & (REd for shows).
� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and of course !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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� Our Hobi's camera system from : ww.switchchange.com).
� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
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No, you guys are reading the website wrong.
It says:
BMW claims OEM is 507 HP
But they dyno'ed the OEM exhaust at 529.8 HP
And they dyno'ed the Supersprint at 543.7 HP.
So the Supersprint is only 13.9 HP more than OEM
(still not bad though)
thx for clearing that nice info.
No, you guys are reading the website wrong.
It says:
BMW claims OEM is 507 HP
But they dyno'ed the OEM exhaust at 529.8 HP
And they dyno'ed the Supersprint at 543.7 HP.
So the Supersprint is only 13.9 HP more than OEM
(still not bad though)
thx for clearing that nice info.
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Originally Posted by Alex.br' post='233191' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:46 PM
[quote name='cidair' post='233083' date='Feb 1 2006, 04:41 PM']
Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Excellent sound. Almost as good as my Hartge with powerpipe
Hartge only claimed maximum 5 hp gain with their race system ( wich I have on my car ).
I?m very sceptic towards 20 hp gain!
Eisenmann claims 8 HP gain!
But what Do you think about the dino result?
dyno is nice, but very difficult to belive although I am 4 SS.
[/quote]
I don't believe the Supersprint HP claims will hold up as an average over a number of M5's. The 5-10 HP numbers are much more realistic.
The stock exhaust is tuned to give optimum backpressure at lower rpm to maximize the torque. Most aftermarket exhausts lower the backpressure to give more HP in the high rpm range, but lower backpressure can give you less torque at lower rpms. It's pretty normal for an aftermarket exhaust to give up some lower rpm torque to get more HP at higher rpm.
Another tradeoff to keep in mind is although a lot of these systems will save weight, it's generally because they are using thinner gage stainless steel. That means they will be more susceptible to stress and fatique failures over time.
[/quote]
Great info. I was thinking pretty much the same thing. There has to be a tiny balance between backpressure and pozitive pressure.
Anyway 13 bhp gain insn't that bad at all for a NA engine. But i'm sure the sound is going to make all the money you pay. You can hardly feel +13 bhp. (At least in this kind of cars)