How cheesy would this be?
05-12-2005, 03:46 AM
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Very interesting and solid position indeed , poleposition.
In general I agree that one shud be very cautious with any mods so the car wud not become cheesy. And it is very easy falling in this trap with E60.So the question is not to cross the vague line.
I think the mods shud/shud not be aplied in acordance with following considerations:
- to preserve clean, noble lines of the car
- to change plain, boring ot unattractive lines
- to stay as close as possible with BMW general line
- if needed to utilize only best and most expensive aftermarket producers and avoid mixing them with each other
- not to play with badges
To illustarte for example for that reason I do not like any trunk lip spoilers but consider OEM front bumper and side skirts to be too plain and the rear bumper not clean enough,
the side mirrors to be dated.
In general I agree that one shud be very cautious with any mods so the car wud not become cheesy. And it is very easy falling in this trap with E60.So the question is not to cross the vague line.
I think the mods shud/shud not be aplied in acordance with following considerations:
- to preserve clean, noble lines of the car
- to change plain, boring ot unattractive lines
- to stay as close as possible with BMW general line
- if needed to utilize only best and most expensive aftermarket producers and avoid mixing them with each other
- not to play with badges
To illustarte for example for that reason I do not like any trunk lip spoilers but consider OEM front bumper and side skirts to be too plain and the rear bumper not clean enough,
the side mirrors to be dated.
05-12-2005, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by poleposition' date='May 11 2005, 09:39 PM
I hear you about the M technic package but I'm still not a fan of M stuff on a non M car.? That being said, I do love the cars we've seen here with the M sport packages.? I think they look beautiful but the fact that it looks like an M5 but it's not is just not for me.? I'd sooner do another tuner package as opposed to an M package.? To me, it's either an M or it's not, there's no middleground with me.? It's sort of like having a benz without their sport? package and putting an AMG badge on it.? That, to me is cheesy.? I know some will disagree but it is what it is.? I'm not dissing anyone's car here.? I am just giving my opinion.
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Personally, I would not go that far as to drill my front fenders to install the side grills. But I don't care if someone else wants to do that. It's his car.
If that person would pretend or say (like the guy at the traffic lights) that he's got an M5, well... then I will note him down as a liar in my book, but it's no use to get emotional about it. He will never become a mate of mine, that's all.
I probably used to have stronger opinions about these things when I was younger (although I am only 39), but what counts for me is that I like my car and I like to exchange information with other people about it in a positive way.
Someone else may think of my car what they want, you can be positive (of course better for my ego
) but you can also say that you do not like certain things about it, as long as it does not get personal. End of sermon.If we would all have the same opinions and we would all draw the line in the same way, we would all be driving the same E60. Boy, that would be boring
. Nothing to talk about anymore.
05-12-2005, 06:33 AM
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I dont think M pack owners lay in their bed awake wurrying what you think of them because they bought the M sport package 
If you like it or not, we get to drive it, we get to enjoy it. Thats the importent thing. I personaly dont care what others think of my M package. I only c peoples head turning all of the time when i get to drive the Msport car I enjoy the sight of my M footrest, I totaly love my Msport steering wheel that is 5OOO% better then the Oem steering wheel and i enjoy my msport front bumper that makes my car look 5OO% better then the old honda parked next to it
So have your opinion I dont care Your not that importent
If you like it or not, we get to drive it, we get to enjoy it. Thats the importent thing. I personaly dont care what others think of my M package. I only c peoples head turning all of the time when i get to drive the Msport car I enjoy the sight of my M footrest, I totaly love my Msport steering wheel that is 5OOO% better then the Oem steering wheel and i enjoy my msport front bumper that makes my car look 5OO% better then the old honda parked next to it So have your opinion
I dont care Your not that importent
05-12-2005, 06:46 AM
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On the subject of the M5 grilles. They look like shit and if you put them on you are telling people i dont have a M5 but i want to fake it. If you so happen to totaly change the car with all the M5 goodies you will spend a lot of money but you still fall trough the basket if people walk up to you and ask you if its a real m5 (believe me it will happen a lot. M5 owners get that question 5 times a day). At that moment you either lie about it or you tell the truth. Either way it makes you not a nice person. If you lie about it and people believe you , there still be a lot of moments when your lie will cause you shame because people can not be fooled by the engine noise or the acceleartion on the road.
So do you realy want to spend money just to have people laught at you?
On a note: if you put the M5 badge on it and you race a car and you will probably loose then all M5 owners look like shit because he will likely tell his friends that he beat a M5. It makes bmw look bad.
If you change the seats, inside and outside mirrors, replace the fenders, buy new wheels, install a quad exhaust, change front , side and rear bumpers, change the suspension, overlay your dash with leather, and put a supercharger on it making it faster then the M5 then it would be ok. But only if its equal or faster. Then again wouldnt it be a lot of fun sticking nothing at it and just beat another fast car leaving him behind and letting him think there is something wrong with his car.
So do you realy want to spend money just to have people laught at you?
On a note: if you put the M5 badge on it and you race a car and you will probably loose then all M5 owners look like shit because he will likely tell his friends that he beat a M5. It makes bmw look bad.
If you change the seats, inside and outside mirrors, replace the fenders, buy new wheels, install a quad exhaust, change front , side and rear bumpers, change the suspension, overlay your dash with leather, and put a supercharger on it making it faster then the M5 then it would be ok. But only if its equal or faster. Then again wouldnt it be a lot of fun sticking nothing at it and just beat another fast car leaving him behind and letting him think there is something wrong with his car.
05-12-2005, 07:47 AM
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Please don't get me wrong. If BMW NA offered me the sport package with the different bumpers and side sills when I ordered my car, I would be lying if I told you I wouldn't have gotten it. I'm not referring to all of my E60 brethren who have the m sport bumpers and the sort. I love that look. I love all the cars posted here with that package and wished I could have gotten it on my car. What I'm saying is, the people who try to make me think their car is something it's not is what I'm specifically referring to. pmmeke, Joel_BE, mhoutman, subterfuse and everyone else who has it, I love it. Wish I had it. I'm not referring to them. I think it looks absolutely stellar. I just want to be clear here that's all.
05-12-2005, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by poleposition' date='May 12 2005, 05:47 PM
Please don't get me wrong.? If BMW NA offered me the sport package with the different bumpers and side sills when I ordered my car, I would be lying if I told you I wouldn't have gotten it.? I'm not referring to all of my E60 brethren who have the m sport bumpers and the sort.? I love that look.? I love all the cars posted here with that package and wished I could have gotten it on my car.? What I'm saying is, the people who try to make me think their car is something it's not is what I'm specifically referring to.? pmmeke, Joel_BE, mhoutman, subterfuse and everyone else who has it, I love it.? Wish I had it.? I'm not referring to them.? I think it looks absolutely stellar.? I just want to be clear here that's all.
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05-12-2005, 08:19 AM
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I was confused when you sayd M stuff was not for you and you would sooner buy Hamann or ac schnitzer in stead., but it turns out if bmw usa offered it you would buy it. That 2 different things. Anyway glad you dont think Msport is the same as M5. I think its nice, it add s vallue in resale, you will find buyer real soon if you ever sell it, it gives more driving pleasure and makes the car look more sporty.
I do understand not everybody like the Msport package. I know a lot of 5O year old guys who like the more classy look with wood interior and confort seats and rather pay the money for a extra qualety leather interior. Thats ok. A classy wel
equiped E60 is very nice to.
But if you like sporty then M sport package is defenitly the way to go. Not only the looks but the fact that its bmw oem alone makes it ok. A lot of guys dont like Hamann or Ac schnitzer not because they dont like the look but just because it not made by bmw.
As for me: i did not debage my car. I have a 525d remapped and i like the fact others think they can beat me but with 47O torgue i sure surprise them sometimes You could say its a sleeper
I do understand not everybody like the Msport package. I know a lot of 5O year old guys who like the more classy look with wood interior and confort seats and rather pay the money for a extra qualety leather interior. Thats ok. A classy wel
equiped E60 is very nice to.
But if you like sporty then M sport package is defenitly the way to go. Not only the looks but the fact that its bmw oem alone makes it ok. A lot of guys dont like Hamann or Ac schnitzer not because they dont like the look but just because it not made by bmw.
As for me: i did not debage my car. I have a 525d remapped and i like the fact others think they can beat me but with 47O torgue i sure surprise them sometimes
You could say its a sleeper
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My Ride: MY RIDE is DA real .-) HAMANN 5 aka BLACK MAMBA born on 16/06/2005/delivered on 05/08/2005 as following:
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Originally Posted by pmmeke' date='May 12 2005, 05:19 PM
I was confused when you sayd M stuff was not for you and you would sooner buy Hamann or ac schnitzer in stead., but it turns out if bmw usa offered it you would buy it. That 2 different things. Anyway glad you dont think Msport is the same as M5. I think its nice, it add s vallue in resale, you will find buyer real soon if you ever sell it, it gives more driving pleasure and makes the car look more sporty.
I do understand not everybody like the Msport package. I know a lot of 5O year old guys who like the more classy look with wood interior and confort seats and rather pay the money for a extra qualety leather interior. Thats ok. A classy wel
equiped E60 is very nice to.
But if you like sporty then M sport package is defenitly the way to go. Not only the looks but the fact that its bmw oem alone makes it ok. A lot of guys dont like Hamann or Ac schnitzer not because they dont like the look but just because it not made by bmw.
As for me: i did not debage my car. I have a 525d remapped and i like the fact others think they can beat me but with 47O torgue i sure surprise them somcode etimes You could say its a sleeper
I do understand not everybody like the Msport package. I know a lot of 5O year old guys who like the more classy look with wood interior and confort seats and rather pay the money for a extra qualety leather interior. Thats ok. A classy wel
equiped E60 is very nice to.
But if you like sporty then M sport package is defenitly the way to go. Not only the looks but the fact that its bmw oem alone makes it ok. A lot of guys dont like Hamann or Ac schnitzer not because they dont like the look but just because it not made by bmw.
As for me: i did not debage my car. I have a 525d remapped and i like the fact others think they can beat me but with 47O torgue i sure surprise them somcode etimes
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So I luv all ya cars with ///M package, ok make it clear
code 337 ///M soprt apck is made by ///M Technik Gmbh same who provides M5 ok, no big deal it is BMW so if you buy M pack you have a car that is in line with the ///M philosophy.
I love it I wanted it but too many have it so we go for another aftermarket.
Secondly not made by BMW... all aftermarkets came from racing!!! HAMANN and ASC HARTGE etc.
So it is matter of taste there is no good bad BMW is BMW.
I will debadge mine as I just do not like it on the car's nice a$$
It is cleaner for me, but will go for a kit and put a badge of the producer no M for sure, although as we wanted the M ( but now DD and others) I have many genuie ///M badges stickers etc... will keep 'em in my BMW (E60) collection of cars.