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Old 08-29-2006, 07:33 AM
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As per title, I am thinking of having my car (BMW 520d A Touring E61) re-mapped.

I am between these four:

1. DMS Automotive UK 208HP/406NM

2. ESS Performance Products AS 200HP/450NM

3. Kempower Motorsport N.V. 205HP/430NM

4. Wetterauer Engineering GmbH 198HP/410NM

Which of the above re-maps is better to buy? The one with more torque or the one with more hp? Any experiences of the above will be helpful.
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Are you serious, remapping a 520d?

I'ts kind of funny if you only have a E39 520i...

Anyway, you will get a 1000 ? poorer to start with
and only after that the problems will start.

What's wrong with your life, man?

Save the money!
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Originally Posted by gianton' post='328236' date='Aug 29 2006, 05:33 PM
As per title, I am thinking of having my car (BMW 520d A Touring E61) re-mapped.

I am between these four:

1. DMS Automotive UK 208HP/406NM

2. ESS Performance Products AS 200HP/450NM

3. Kempower Motorsport N.V. 205HP/430NM

4. Wetterauer Engineering GmbH 198HP/410NM

Which of the above re-maps is better to buy? The one with more torque or the one with more hp? Any experiences of the above will be helpful.

With all the reports I have read in the magazines (engine cuts back on power for a number of minutes when overexposed - yep really scary if all of a sudden you loose your gain temporarily) :thumbsdown:
If you're not happy with the power/torque, I suggest the better deal is to trade in your 520d for a 530d. That will work just fine

BTW: I doubt you'll feel the difference in horse power and if you want to seriously compare, compare the charts of how much youn really get across the rev range
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Originally Posted by Ricracing' post='328322' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:09 PM
Are you serious, remapping a 520d?

I'ts kind of funny if you only have a E39 520i...

Anyway, you will get a 1000 ? poorer to start with
and only after that the problems will start.

What's wrong with your life, man?

Save the money!
Why not re-mapping a 520d?

My ex-car was E39 520i A upgraded to 528i and 216HP/270NM. So I'm kinda used to more juice.

This software upgrade will cost me from €600,00 to €800,00, so money is not the issue.

My life is great, how is yours m8?

I would need some real life experience from other forum members and not this kind of comment.
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Originally Posted by Tommy' post='328366' date='Aug 29 2006, 04:09 PM
With all the reports I have read in the magazines (engine cuts back on power for a number of minutes when overexposed - yep really scary if all of a sudden you loose your gain temporarily) :thumbsdown:
If you're not happy with the power/torque, I suggest the better deal is to trade in your 520d for a 530d. That will work just fine

BTW: I doubt you'll feel the difference in horse power and if you want to seriously compare, compare the charts of how much youn really get across the rev range
As said above I would need some real life experience from others that have tried this mod especially living at warmer limates as the Mediterranean and not reviews from magazines.

I would have bought a 530d if stupid Tax laws for biggers engines weren't applied in Greece.

Anyway any inputs from other forum members who have done this mod with any of the above companies are more than welcomed.

Thanks.
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I haven't used any of the above, but have been mapping my diesels for years.
I know from several meets and chats, that DMS and also Wetterauer enjoy excellent reputation for their work quality and results. The increase in performance and driveability will be well worth it.

I have so far had a remapped C250TD Merc, a 525tds, a 320d, a 530d E39 and at the moment run a remapped 535d. All of the cars have done significant amounts of miles without the slightest problem. The Merc is not running anymore, as I decided to roll it a few years back. The 525tds and the 320d are also still running around with different owners (both over 100k miles on the clock) the 530d is also still alive and kicking with over 140k miles on it. (I had it mapped under 100k)

The guy I have used for all my diesels is Simon from e-maps Excellent work, super guy and also great prices. He is mobile, too.

I am sure if you constantly use the available higher output, that one's wear & tear are likely to be increased, but my real life experience is, that you only have to use the max of it once in a while. I, for one, don't drive much different from before, but if the foot itches, give it some. On an average, due to the higher torque, my consumption has not changed either, even come down slightly on long steady runs.

With a proper remap your parameters will be changed without touching any protection or emergency parameters in your ECU. "overexposure" "cutting out" etc I have only ever heard of if people used Box solutions that only increase rail pressure, fuelling quantity and burn cycle timing. Hands off those it is for me.

Like you I prefer real life experience over "I have read" "I have heard"

And yes, you will feel the difference, especially the wave you ride on, your torque.

One final thing, do not get led by different hp or torque promises. On your engine all will be about the same, around the 200hp mark and the torque somewhere between 410 and 430NM (enough increase from 340)
The good guys will usually not totally max it out, but give you a safe and sound solution.

Good luck
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Thanks great reply.

Do you think warmer weather will affect the engine's longetivity, once re-mapped of course?
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gainton, just ignore ricracing he is just jealous that after a spending a few hundred ? you car will be quicker than his and use half the juice!


I would say that living in Greece I woud go with who ever is local, if BMW overwrite your software you want to be able to get it back on easily.
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Originally Posted by Ricracing' post='328322' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:09 PM
Are you serious, remapping a 520d?

I'ts kind of funny if you only have a E39 520i...

Anyway, you will get a 1000 ? poorer to start with
and only after that the problems will start.

What's wrong with your life, man?

Save the money!

I was going to ignore this but I can't.

Remapping a 520d will give superb results making your 525i look a little wimpy.
What is the cost of a remap after you have spent so much on the car??
What problems have you experienced with reamapping? I have done over 250,000 miles in remapped cars and never had a problem so I woud be interested to hear why you are so against it?

Why did you buy a BMW? why not get a toyota?? reliable and cheaper, maybe give you a little more time to look at getting a life yourself!



I am not really having a go at you but you do come over as a bit rude at times, this is a forum for car enthusiasts, would you go onto a home cinema forum and tell them they are silly to buy an HD-DVD player when they have a perfectly good standard def dvd player? Just doesn't make sense to me why you would even jump into this thread and tell the guy he doesn't have a car worth remapping, tell him he is wasting money and that he needs to get a life. Sometimes the best advice comes from within, may be worth remembering that!
Old 08-30-2006, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gIzzE' post='328620' date='Aug 30 2006, 08:06 AM
gainton, just ignore ricracing he is just jealous that after a spending a few hundred ? you car will be quicker than his and use half the juice!
I would say that living in Greece I woud go with who ever is local, if BMW overwrite your software you want to be able to get it back on easily.
Thanks for your reply.

Good point to go local, will do a search if any available.

If someone from Greece has any info on any companies to do remaps pls advise.
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