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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by vstegmann' post='441380' date='Jun 29 2007, 04:50 PM
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On the other hand: You should be aware that your car is already tuned. There maybe the feeling "there is more", but why are the most tuners stopping on your actual level? At the end: You drive a diesel... and a fast one. If you want more performance, get a M5 or B5...

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M5 and B10 are completely different kettles of fish. I was originally looking to buy an M5, but as a daily hack which generally does 600 miles plus a week the fuel consumption and residuals would have been crippling. I dare say the same would be true of a B10 too.

Bring in the 535d which in remapped form is not a million miles off the pace, yet returns 30+mpg, but its just missing that last top end 60HP sparkle to make it feel silly quick rather than just "fast".

Generally with upgrades, there are various "stages". Id say a remap is "stage 1", which as a bang for buck guide will probably net the highest yields for outlay and is therefore the one most people go for. Thats not to say its the end of the line or as far as you can go by any stretch of the imagination, its just that the possibilities have not been explored due to the low commercial viability of having to include pricey hardware changes instead of the relatively easy and cheap software mods.

Ive emailed Kempower ref. their Intercooler and turbo upgrades and am awaiting their response...Sounds promising so fingers crossed
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Aeroresh' post='441420' date='Jun 29 2007, 08:24 PM
M5 and B10 are completely different kettles of fish. I was originally looking to buy an M5, but as a daily hack which generally does 600 miles plus a week the fuel consumption and residuals would have been crippling. I dare say the same would be true of a B10 too.

Bring in the 535d which in remapped form is not a million miles off the pace, yet returns 30+mpg, but its just missing that last top end 60HP sparkle to make it feel silly quick rather than just "fast".

Generally with upgrades, there are various "stages". Id say a remap is "stage 1", which as a bang for buck guide will probably net the highest yields for outlay and is therefore the one most people go for. Thats not to say its the end of the line or as far as you can go by any stretch of the imagination, its just that the possibilities have not been explored due to the low commercial viability of having to include pricey hardware changes instead of the relatively easy and cheap software mods.

Ive emailed Kempower ref. their Intercooler and turbo upgrades and am awaiting their response...Sounds promising so fingers crossed
WOWOW then i'd better prepare my wallet.

I do hope and keep my fingers crossed, even the toes , for Kempower to offer smth like that. At least a bigger, more efficient intercooler.

And i agree with the rest of your statement.
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellraiser' post='441293' date='Jun 29 2007, 01:06 PM
Yes but the difficulty is not to a "truck nm?s value"

This car gains both nm?s and hp?s very easy!

See mine for example, i have a lot of nm?s (changing the remap soon) because e asked for something stronger in the mid range! and voil? truck nm?s...

I know that it is a question of remaps because if you like your power to be ond the low and mid rev section you will have a lot of nm?s, but if you put the power in the upper revs you will get more hp?s and less nm?s...

But as in one case the gearbox suffers, on the other it will be more the engine to suffer!

Press this link and you will see a 407 hp 535d with more then 800nm?s...

Not that i believe much on this example but...
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I agree. So i'm more about high-end power. So gimme more hp to the sacrifice of some torques. No biggie i've got plenty of them.

About the link, well i didn't get much out of it. Don't know a word and for that archive to download i need an account. Can you post it here please? I'm very curious now
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 530i_msport' post='431046' date='Jun 2 2007, 02:54 PM
AlexFW, why are you so negative about the 535d?

When a man say the 535d can reach 400 BHP .. THe only thing to do is lolling ..

Bettermakeway hasn't explained me yet why 545i needs of 18.5s to reach 200 kmh, the 550i 17.5s and the remapped 535d 20s (stock 25s, don't forget it guys!) .

Here an SMG 650i (the steptronic is faster) :


A remap 535d would be faster ?
Pls stop saying bullshit!
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellraiser' post='440410' date='Jun 27 2007, 07:12 PM
Until the day you catch a fast 35d.....

My 790nm and 335 hp?s are enough for a lot of cars....
ROTFL : you haven't both 790Nm and 335 HP .
Bye and be realist!
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexFW' post='441542' date='Jun 30 2007, 12:37 AM
ROTFL : you haven't both 790Nm and 335 HP .
Bye and be realist!
So you're calling him a liar
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BetterMakeWay' post='441736' date='Jun 30 2007, 09:35 AM
So you're calling him a liar

No, liar is who lies . He simply trust his tuner, who say 400 HP . But clearly it can't be true

Better, do you know why the Andy's 545i makes less than 19s on the 0-200 and the best remapped 535d only 20 ?
Grogan or Znod made 5.0-5.1s on the 0-100 . The 535d can't make 5.1 but it achives only 6s or 5.8 .
And the US 545i has only 325 HP .

Conclusion : if the US 545i makes 5.1 with 325 HP ... A remapped 535d that makes 5.8 has to have 300 HP, not 360 as you continue to say
It's maths!

Now you can understand why I am lolling of the 400 HP story
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexFW' post='441540' date='Jun 30 2007, 12:35 AM
When a man say the 535d can reach 400 BHP .. THe only thing to do is lolling ..

Bettermakeway hasn't explained me yet why 545i needs of 18.5s to reach 200 kmh, the 550i 17.5s and the remapped 535d 20s (stock 25s, don't forget it guys!) .

Here an SMG 650i (the steptronic is faster) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRViwbU6zyo
A remap 535d would be faster ?
Pls stop saying bullshit!
I ask you again where you got the numbers? Was it the same driver? Where the runs made in the same conditions in the same day? Were both cars stock with 18-19" tires?

Cuz things like those you can find all over the net.

Tests like those: Should i trust them? Should this be the new rule cuz i know this mag is serious and i may want to believe it? Or should i not cuz you'll say: come on be serious. My numbers are better.[attachment=44736:SA4.JPG]
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexFW' post='441744' date='Jun 30 2007, 11:05 AM
No, liar is who lies . He simply trust his tuner, who say 400 HP . But clearly it can't be true

Better, do you know why the Andy's 545i makes less than 19s on the 0-200 and the best remapped 535d only 20 ?
Grogan or Znod made 5.0-5.1s on the 0-100 . The 535d can't make 5.1 but it achives only 6s or 5.8 .
And the US 545i has only 325 HP .

Conclusion : if the US 545i makes 5.1 with 325 HP ... A remapped 535d that makes 5.8 has to have 300 HP, not 360 as you continue to say
It's maths!

Now you can understand why I am lolling of the 400 HP story
No man! Simply i don't understand. Not that i'm very hardheaded or that i'm subjective, but because i have yet to see a drag test being made in the same conditions with cars similarly equipped and with the same driver.

All i see are numbers that come from various tests. Znod made his runs. I'm not saying those runs are not true, but Znod as i recall him is a performance oriented guy and his car was not 100% stock. He has lighter wheels, no spare wheel in the trunk, and many other minor stuff that can add up in the end. Was the 535d you question (20s one) the same equipped? Was the same driver and the same road in the same day? Were the adjustments (that i recall so well for Znod) the same for the 535d? That's what i'm asking. Things like those add up to 1-2 seconds for the 200km/h mark.

I know one thing for certain! I had 2 runs with a 645Ci equipped with steptronic like me, and the result was...well surprising. The guy is from our forum and on that day he said also that the results were true. Indeed he smacked me both times but not that hard as i would have thought, and the guy i'm telling you is not a bad driver at all.

1st run: i had better start than him, and becasue of that we were neck and neck till 150-160km/h with him having a nose ahead and till 200km/h he had one and a half car.
2nd run: he had a better start and got half a car from the start and that gap hold on again till around 160, after that he again started to pull away, at 200km/h having 2 cars ahead.
we even had a 3rd one from roll on but that doesn't count as i was not in the right gear (my mistake) from 40km/h and he went ahead.

The guy acknowledged that and that was it. My car was stock at that time. His car the same. AND considering this i know what 80 extra hp and more than 100NM can do to the result. On the 1/4 i'm sure i will win. Cuz trap speeds for 1/4 are close to 160km/h so i know what i'm talking about.

Untill someone else proves me otherwise and untill i get the remap (hopefully in august this year) i stick to my logic and experience.
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Old Jun 30, 2007 | 12:46 AM
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PS: 335 hp and 790NM can be true. It's not impossible. It's important how aggressive the remap is.
Remember skaffa? A mere 530d would you say? Well with only a remap he amazed us all by having more than 310bhp and somewhere around 650NM if i recall correctly. Everybody was amazed and skeptical at first, until he uploaded the dyno runs with before and after. How's that for a 530d?
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