Why so few 535i 6spds?
12-12-2008, 10:58 AM
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Phantom Mar's right on the money. The auto boxes are certainly no slouches and, I dare say a lot of us just end up sitting in traffic most of the time anyway.
Not sure about the market Stateside, but in Europe, a manual/stick shift would hurt your resale/residual value on anything other than a 520i/d. People expect a car like this to be executive/luxury and therefore to have an auto box. There's also the expectation that a larger engine is less likely to have been damaged when coupled with an auto box as opposed to one with a manual that's been misused - again, it affects your ability to re-sell. I buy my cars used and would never buy anything larger than a basic 2litre 4-pot as a manual.
Not sure about the market Stateside, but in Europe, a manual/stick shift would hurt your resale/residual value on anything other than a 520i/d. People expect a car like this to be executive/luxury and therefore to have an auto box. There's also the expectation that a larger engine is less likely to have been damaged when coupled with an auto box as opposed to one with a manual that's been misused - again, it affects your ability to re-sell. I buy my cars used and would never buy anything larger than a basic 2litre 4-pot as a manual.
12-12-2008, 11:10 AM
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The Steptronic Sport gives one the possibility the do the gear changes it self.
The upcoming SMG auto (now only available in the M3) will be even much better.
Clutches just don't bear the large torques in the modern strong engines, or then
they wave to be built very heavy and strong, which isn't a user friendly matter.
All racing and rally cars have nowadays a auto gearbox of some kind.
The upcoming SMG auto (now only available in the M3) will be even much better.
Clutches just don't bear the large torques in the modern strong engines, or then
they wave to be built very heavy and strong, which isn't a user friendly matter.
All racing and rally cars have nowadays a auto gearbox of some kind.
12-12-2008, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricracing' post='744031' date='Dec 12 2008, 12:10 PM
The Steptronic Sport gives one the possibility the do the gear changes it self.
The upcoming SMG auto (now only available in the M3) will be even much better.
Clutches just don't bear the large torques in the modern strong engines, or then
they wave to be built very heavy and strong, which isn't a user friendly matter.
All racing and rally cars have nowadays a auto gearbox of some kind.
The upcoming SMG auto (now only available in the M3) will be even much better.
Clutches just don't bear the large torques in the modern strong engines, or then
they wave to be built very heavy and strong, which isn't a user friendly matter.
All racing and rally cars have nowadays a auto gearbox of some kind.
12-12-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by midwest bmw' post='743869' date='Dec 12 2008, 10:04 AM
The six speed manual rarity is not just a 535i issue -- it's applicable to all E60's here in the States.
As others have eloquently said, the market for the manual tranny is a small one.
A lot of auto's have come a long way (especially the Sport Auto) it rocks! That said, there are still those who want nothing but the manual connection with their auto, and I understand that too.
And yes, I used to be an ardent manual transmission owner.
As others have eloquently said, the market for the manual tranny is a small one.
A lot of auto's have come a long way (especially the Sport Auto) it rocks! That said, there are still those who want nothing but the manual connection with their auto, and I understand that too.
And yes, I used to be an ardent manual transmission owner.
12-12-2008, 04:33 PM
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Since the 535 has a turbo the sport auto is the performance choice. The turbos spin from exhaust gas flow and with the SA you just keep your foot planted as it goes through the gears. If you want your normal six speed to last you raise up on the accelerator between shifts which interrupts exhaust pressure and reduces power.
12-12-2008, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='744215' date='Dec 12 2008, 08:33 PM
Since the 535 has a turbo the sport auto is the performance choice. The turbos spin from exhaust gas flow and with the SA you just keep your foot planted as it goes through the gears. If you want your normal six speed to last you raise up on the accelerator between shifts which interrupts exhaust pressure and reduces power.
Yep, he hit the nail on the head. Auto lets you keep the turbo spooled up. Check out the rally cars sometime, some have fuel systems that inject directly into exhaust in order to keep the turbo spooled, even when the driver has to let off the gas.
12-13-2008, 05:46 AM
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Actually the 535 does that too, when you go back on the gas, which is one reason they have been able to minimize turbo lag so much.
12-13-2008, 01:49 PM
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yeah, i drove an M5 6 speed manual and an SMG. the manual is just SO much more fun and engaging. nothing more fun than double clutching while downshifting. paddles are lame! 
12-13-2008, 02:03 PM
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[quote name='kinglenario' date='Dec 13 2008, 05:49 PM' post='744638']
yeah, i drove an M5 6 speed manual and an SMG. the manual is just SO much more fun and engaging. nothing more fun than double clutching while downshifting. paddles are lame!
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Look at the 0-60 times and quarter mile times between the SMG and the 6speed M5, then tell us which is lame. Also going through a road course and not having to takes your hands off the steering wheels is huge.
yeah, i drove an M5 6 speed manual and an SMG. the manual is just SO much more fun and engaging. nothing more fun than double clutching while downshifting. paddles are lame!
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Look at the 0-60 times and quarter mile times between the SMG and the 6speed M5, then tell us which is lame. Also going through a road course and not having to takes your hands off the steering wheels is huge.