Why don't we have an 8-way idrive button?
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Originally Posted by my530i' post='402602' date='Mar 14 2007, 10:08 AM
Automotive editor keep raving about Audi MMI, but bashing BMW i-Drive like crazy. ![Nono](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/nono.gif)
I tried MMI in auto show before, and I found it's pretty much the same concept as i-Drive, but faster.
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I tried MMI in auto show before, and I found it's pretty much the same concept as i-Drive, but faster.
As for the eight way direction it is very difficult to do at times and not very practical.
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Originally Posted by mapezzul' post='402892' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:05 PM
BMW is now going with the haptic and shortcuts.
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Regarding the haptic controller, the haptic feedback was eliminated in iDrive starting with March production.
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Originally Posted by JSpira' post='402896' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:26 PM
Hey, mapezzul, when did you get here?
Regarding the haptic controller, the haptic feedback was eliminated in iDrive starting with March production.
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Regarding the haptic controller, the haptic feedback was eliminated in iDrive starting with March production.
I had no idea about the loss of the haptic feedback. A cost cutting measure or what? I have actually become quite accustomed to it.....
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Originally Posted by JSpira' post='402896' date='Mar 14 2007, 11:26 PM
Regarding the haptic controller, the haptic feedback was eliminated in iDrive starting with March production.
Will all of this be eliminated? That really concerns me, since the "clicks" provide tactile feedback that means that I don't have to look down at the screen as I scroll thorugh a list. Am I understanding this seemingly very negative change correctly?
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Originally Posted by hinckley' post='403015' date='Mar 15 2007, 09:26 AM
I've been confused about this change. I currently have a Pro Nav equiped E60 and have a similarly equiped LCI on order. My current iDrive has "clicks" or "indents" as it proceeds through input options and has a hard stop at the end of the option list.
Will all of this be eliminated? That really concerns me, since the "clicks" provide tactile feedback that means that I don't have to look down at the screen as I scroll thorugh a list. Am I understanding this seemingly very negative change correctly?
Will all of this be eliminated? That really concerns me, since the "clicks" provide tactile feedback that means that I don't have to look down at the screen as I scroll thorugh a list. Am I understanding this seemingly very negative change correctly?
Speculation is that it took too much processor power to provide the adaptive clicks (haptic feedback) which often times resulted in a very sluggish response time with the interface. If you haven't experienced this yet, just try to scroll quickly through a list of POI's in navigation. (Another time it happens is when you are scrolling through a long listing of telephone contacts.)
For me, I'll gladly give up the feedback if it'll mean the car will keep up with my spinning of the controller...
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Originally Posted by Rudy' post='403025' date='Mar 15 2007, 09:42 AM
I think you are understanding it quite well. Keep in mind that there will likely be "clicks", they just won't adapt to the individual screens. Also, there won't be hard stops at the end of a list, etc. I was a bit bummed out when I first heard they were dropping the feature but recently I had the opportunity to drive a non-nav E61 loaner car and found that the standard clicks worked fairly well and it wasn't a problem for me to use the system without the hard stops, etc.
Speculation is that it took too much processor power to provide the adaptive clicks (haptic feedback) which often times resulted in a very sluggish response time with the interface. If you haven't experienced this yet, just try to scroll quickly through a list of POI's in navigation. (Another time it happens is when you are scrolling through a long listing of telephone contacts.)
For me, I'll gladly give up the feedback if it'll mean the car will keep up with my spinning of the controller...
Speculation is that it took too much processor power to provide the adaptive clicks (haptic feedback) which often times resulted in a very sluggish response time with the interface. If you haven't experienced this yet, just try to scroll quickly through a list of POI's in navigation. (Another time it happens is when you are scrolling through a long listing of telephone contacts.)
For me, I'll gladly give up the feedback if it'll mean the car will keep up with my spinning of the controller...
One thing that I've never really understood though, is the talk of different feedbacks for different types of list. I know of the click feel, and of the "resistant feedback" when the list is long, but what other types of feedback are there that I'm missing?
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I think the types of feedback are limited to the click and the stop. The click is used for different events -- for example, the knob clicks as you move across different selections in a list (either horizontally or vertically). Another event that causes a click is a center "detent" or "hill" for things like balance, fader, bass, treble, etc.
In other words, BMW may define a bunch of events that use different names but I think the controller is only capable of providing a click/bump or a stop/halt.
In other words, BMW may define a bunch of events that use different names but I think the controller is only capable of providing a click/bump or a stop/halt.
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Originally Posted by subterFUSE' post='402580' date='Mar 14 2007, 08:38 AM
The primary reason the 8-way was done away with was because it is very difficult to move the iDrive controller to the diagonal without inadvertantly triggering the wrong direction. (Try it on the E60 Nav map sometime)
One of the major complaints about the original iDrive was that people were constantly getting into the wrong menus because the controller was hard to use in 8-way mode.
One of the major complaints about the original iDrive was that people were constantly getting into the wrong menus because the controller was hard to use in 8-way mode.
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Originally Posted by mapezzul' post='402485' date='Mar 13 2007, 07:58 PM
The original system in the 7 was designed around Microsoft windows for auto, the newer gen in the E60 and E90 is based on Java technology......
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Originally Posted by Rudy' post='402477' date='Mar 13 2007, 07:08 PM
Because J6P isn't sharp enough to deal with 8-ways so they had to dumb it down... :thumbsdown:
J6P?? Google it...![Tongue](https://5series.net/forums/images/smilies/imported/tongue.gif)
J6P?? Google it...
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Well designed technology automatically widely accepted without having to cram it down customer throat. I bet if average housewife had to read 50 page manual to use a TV, we wouldn't be using television today. If it was necessary to read a manual before using a Web browser, Internet would still be a geek thing.