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12-21-2005, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Madwax' post='214013' date='Dec 21 2005, 06:23 PM
The only thing you can do is press the button on the centre console labeled 'DTC'.
This was discussed over and over again... Sorry for those who like me, know this from the very day they had the car.
So it is like this:
DSC on - always
DSC off, DTC on - if you press briefly the button
DSC off, DTC off - if you press for longer than 3 seconds the button.
12-21-2005, 08:25 AM
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12-21-2005, 10:27 AM
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It heppens to me too..
I went to a dealer and he said....
By the 20(30)km/h the DTC works a little different than at higer speeds. It allow tyre to spin a little to find best traction. I found this very usefull.
For example. You are on the ice and you push your throtle(acceleration pedal) fully. The left and right tyre spins a little not simultanious. And you muve further. THIS IS GOOD!!
I tried Renault Laguna, peugeut 407, audi a4, DTC is ASR...on ice with fully throtle...no moving at all. so you stay put.
On other hand here(BMW) you can separately switch on or of the DTC OR DSC. On other cars mentioned before this is impossible.
I like that what they do at BMW. I hope you will find out to (TRY IT)
I went to a dealer and he said....
By the 20(30)km/h the DTC works a little different than at higer speeds. It allow tyre to spin a little to find best traction. I found this very usefull.
For example. You are on the ice and you push your throtle(acceleration pedal) fully. The left and right tyre spins a little not simultanious. And you muve further. THIS IS GOOD!!
I tried Renault Laguna, peugeut 407, audi a4, DTC is ASR...on ice with fully throtle...no moving at all. so you stay put.
On other hand here(BMW) you can separately switch on or of the DTC OR DSC. On other cars mentioned before this is impossible.
I like that what they do at BMW. I hope you will find out to (TRY IT)
12-21-2005, 10:37 AM
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I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
12-21-2005, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by satelit' post='214074' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:27 PM
It heppens to me too..
I went to a dealer and he said....
By the 20(30)km/h the DTC works a little different than at higer speeds. It allow tyre to spin a little to find best traction. I found this very usefull.
For example. You are on the ice and you push your throtle(acceleration pedal) fully. The left and right tyre spins a little not simultanious. And you muve further. THIS IS GOOD!!
I tried Renault Laguna, peugeut 407, audi a4, DTC is ASR...on ice with fully throtle...no moving at all. so you stay put.
On other hand here(BMW) you can separately switch on or of the DTC OR DSC. On other cars mentioned before this is impossible.
I like that what they do at BMW. I hope you will find out to (TRY IT)
I went to a dealer and he said....
By the 20(30)km/h the DTC works a little different than at higer speeds. It allow tyre to spin a little to find best traction. I found this very usefull.
For example. You are on the ice and you push your throtle(acceleration pedal) fully. The left and right tyre spins a little not simultanious. And you muve further. THIS IS GOOD!!
I tried Renault Laguna, peugeut 407, audi a4, DTC is ASR...on ice with fully throtle...no moving at all. so you stay put.
On other hand here(BMW) you can separately switch on or of the DTC OR DSC. On other cars mentioned before this is impossible.
I like that what they do at BMW. I hope you will find out to (TRY IT)
Unfortunately, one can't switch DSC and DTC off separately. All you can do is have both off or both active to a greater or lesser degree. For my purposes, I would strongly perfer being able to leave DSC on with no DTC action occuring at all. So, to get what I want most, no DTC, I have to switch both off. Funny, that BMW would design its DSC/DTC system in such a way it allows us to put ourselves in this relatively unsafe condition--by not allowing us to simply turn DTC, by itself, completely off.
12-21-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by heezy545i' post='214081' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:37 PM
I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
12-21-2005, 10:57 AM
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I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
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Nope both always are functioning to some extent unless both are off.
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Originally Posted by heezy545i' post='214081' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:37 PM
I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
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Thanks for all the constructive comments guys (I won't include the juvenile ones in that) but as I see it DTC and DSC should be on together in the default mode as I already commented wheel spin should be a thing of the past with this technically advanced car except in conditions where it would help to get moving. If I'm not wrong lesser cars have DTC or a version engaged all the time to stop wheel spin I know if I saw this vehicle taking off with wheel spin I would NOT be impressed this is not good driving it's just posing and either speaks volumes about the car or it's driver and not good volumes.
In relation to holding the DTC button for the 3 sec's is there a warning light to tell me what I have engaged I can't see one so how do we tell?
12-22-2005, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by alpineweiss' post='214088' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:53 PM
[quote name='heezy545i' post='214081' date='Dec 21 2005, 02:37 PM']
I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
I was under the impression that when DSC was activated, DTC was fully activated as well.
I use to fully turn it off, but holding the button down for three seconds can be a pain, especially when I like to toggle between on and off. I found that with one press of the button, DSC minimized and DTC still active, I can get decent amount of wheel spin or slippage when upshifting from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd, along with powering out of a corner.
Interestingly, I found that when DSC is fully active, the back end can come out a decent amount in the canyons, especially along switchbacks and tight hairpins. The fact that my rear tires are pretty much shot probably contributes to that though.
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Thanks for all the constructive comments guys (I won't include the juvenile ones in that) but as I see it DTC and DSC should be on together in the default mode as I already commented wheel spin should be a thing of the past with this technically advanced car except in conditions where it would help to get moving. If I'm not wrong lesser cars have DTC or a version engaged all the time to stop wheel spin I know if I saw this vehicle taking off with wheel spin I would NOT be impressed this is not good driving it's just posing and either speaks volumes about the car or it's driver and not good volumes.
In relation to holding the DTC button for the 3 sec's is there a warning light to tell me what I have engaged I can't see one so how do we tell?
[/quote]You are welcome. Check back on the prior posts. All has been answered about DTC and DTS. Merry Xmas.
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Originally Posted by norham' post='213852' date='Dec 21 2005, 08:09 AM
Taking off from a junction the other day on greasy surface and the rear wheels spun I wasn't aggressive just wondering as the car is in the DSC mode by default does it not prevent wheel spin or do I have to dis-engage it and engage the DTC, seems a bit strange as wheel spin would be a more common occurrence than anything that would need the DSC
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I have been driving this week more than 600 km on black ice, ice and snowy icy roads,
and I can only bless the BMW's DSC system.
My car has used this week all its DSC, CBC, ABS, DTC etc but I have had no problems!
I have winter tires without spikes and the car has been handling just great.