colejl

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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I'd agree with that! The 2 cars were nose to tail and suddenly the 535d was 3 seconds behind....!

I'd say day-to-day the two are quiet close but the torque makes for easier access. The 550i moves the game on a little!

BetterMakeWay

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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How do you know all that? Especially the part when JC passed the stig. That wasn't in the video.
And i do agree that the time difference in the end seems a bit odd since they were neack and neack the whole race.

shiny

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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How do you know all that? Especially the part when JC passed the stig. That wasn't in the video.
And i do agree that the time difference in the end seems a bit odd since they were neack and neack the whole race.
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Also remember, JC = old, overweight journalist, Stig = professional racing driver.

I'd expect the Stig to win any race against JC, even if JC was in an M5, Stig in a 530.

BetterMakeWay

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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How do you know all that? Especially the part when JC passed the stig. That wasn't in the video.
And i do agree that the time difference in the end seems a bit odd since they were neack and neack the whole race.
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Also remember, JC = old, overweight journalist, Stig = professional racing driver.

I'd expect the Stig to win any race against JC, even if JC was in an M5, Stig in a 530.
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Yes...for sure on a lap on the nordschleife the stig would win.

jet190rs

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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FYI, when they reviewed the 645ci they said it did a lap around 1:28. That's 3 sec faster than the M3 or 535d. The 545's time should be close to the 645.

Also keep in mind that the M3's lap was driven by the black Stig, who drove a lot less aggressive than the white Stig. So if the white Stig drove the M3, its time would probably be quicker than the 535d's time.

But then again, we shouldn't believe everything on TG right? <_<

Ray Hull

Historically speaking, in 1987, the 535iS was their first attempt at a true sporting 5 series sedan. (first M5 came later) Here's my 87, 5 speed. Note spoilers under chin and on trunk lip. It also had special Michelin TRX metric wheels and tires (maybe first low profile, wide OEM tires?), along with upgraded suspension, brakes, seats, steering wheel, etc. Wonderful 187 HP I-6 with a basso profundo rumble to it; was a formidible, but subtle car. Most people could never tell the difference; this is even a special color Diamant Schwartz (metallic black).

Cheers,
Ray Hull

BetterMakeWay

To be more precise, 535d has the same engine base as 530d, but added 2 turbo chargers (smaller one that puts up pressure in early revs and other, bigger one that picks up later). Figures in Europe are 272 HP (200 kW) and 560 Nm torque. Comes with standard stepronic (6 speed auto).
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Please note that 560 NM roughly equals 412 lb. I remember a British car magazine/show testing 535 and it was slower than 545. Torque is not everything.
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Don't believe everything you see on TopGear! Jeremy Clarkson is certified twat and massive diesel hater. The 535d did the TG course in the same lap time as a std M3. They have not posted any time for the 545i. Also during the race where the Stig drove the 545 and JC drove the 535, the 545 pulled away slightly off the mark but JC got in front and the Stig could not get past. They then by-passed the rest of the race and showed the 545 finishing 3 seconds ahead of the 535. A litle bit staged if you ask me I don't believe the 545 is 3 seconds faster than an M3
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FYI, when they reviewed the 645ci they said it did a lap around 1:28. That's 3 sec faster than the M3 or 535d. The 545's time should be close to the 645.

Also keep in mind that the M3's lap was driven by the black Stig, who drove a lot less aggressive than the white Stig. So if the white Stig drove the M3, its time would probably be quicker than the 535d's time.

But then again, we shouldn't believe everything on TG right? <_<
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You do have some strong points there. I do agree that the m3 should be faster on a track the 535d, and it really is. The difference in drivers made up for that result. I don't know though when they tested the 645ci and i almost never missed a show. Also bare in mind that even so the 545i is quite of a different story. Even so i suspect it to be slower than the m3 and neck and neck with the diesel (or just slightly faster but the fast kind that isn't noticed if u change cars and do the lap again, only in thrill like the option of smg or manual or the sound of the petrol).

BTW might i add that if 1 28 would be a correct time for the 645ci then what would be the time for the m3? 1 27ish? That's kinda too fast for that track don't you think?

AND WE ARE GOING ALOT OFFTOPIC!

SergeyM

Only off the line the 535d is slower... In gear acceleration the 535d is a lot faster than the cheapie 545 V8 engine...
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If its additional torque does not help 535d off the line it has no chances against 545 at all. At higher speeds more powerful petrol V8 will destroy the diesel. I also remember someone posting 0-150 mph acceleration video on this board ant it was needed around 15 sec to reach 100mph. 545 does it in 12.7-12.8. Quite a difference.

eerroony

"D" stands for diesel and it is only available in europe at this time.

EBMCS03

If its additional torque does not help 535d off the line it has no chances against 545 at all. At higher speeds more powerful petrol V8 will destroy the diesel. I also remember someone posting 0-150 mph acceleration video on this board ant it was needed around 15 sec to reach 100mph. 545 does it in 12.7-12.8. Quite a difference.
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But I thought somone here said that the 535d is a lot faster than the 545 when accelerating from say 70mph to 100mph or even 50mph to 80mph

Is that not true? Huge amounts of TQ to pull it and get it accelerating faster...