Tranmission Warning: Gear in use without Brake
09-19-2012, 03:16 PM
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One more thing, the cold start has to be with the car not turned on for atleast 10-12 hours. If you turn the car on before 10 hours, the error is not visible.
09-19-2012, 07:48 PM
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After some great help from CTSC, I finally figured the solenoid 4E87 is outside the trans above the top of the gear shift. In order to get to it, you have pull out the following in sequence.
1. Hazard switch
2. Panel holding the air vents
3. Front panel containing the controls to AC etc
4. Lower panel where your NAV DVD section.
5. The centre knob
6. Menu switch
7. Gear shift knob + cover + drive panel (which indicate which gear you are in)
8. The complete mid section panel.
9. Cigarette lighter holder
And now finally if you see right above the gear shift, you will see a cable going into the gear shift. That little connector wire is going into the solenoid 4E87 (picture attached). Now back to my problem. During cold start I get a warning for this solenoid not being functional and then it disappears after few minutes. I have checked the solenoid is fine to its resistance of 19-21 Ohms, and the connecting cable has the right voltage during the day time, but strangely at cold start, the cable does not have any voltage at all for few minutes thus causing that fault message.
Does anyone has any idea why the cable will not have voltage for first few minutes? Anyone good with BMW WDS and know where the current in this cable is coming from that I can diagnose further?
1. Hazard switch
2. Panel holding the air vents
3. Front panel containing the controls to AC etc
4. Lower panel where your NAV DVD section.
5. The centre knob
6. Menu switch
7. Gear shift knob + cover + drive panel (which indicate which gear you are in)
8. The complete mid section panel.
9. Cigarette lighter holder
And now finally if you see right above the gear shift, you will see a cable going into the gear shift. That little connector wire is going into the solenoid 4E87 (picture attached). Now back to my problem. During cold start I get a warning for this solenoid not being functional and then it disappears after few minutes. I have checked the solenoid is fine to its resistance of 19-21 Ohms, and the connecting cable has the right voltage during the day time, but strangely at cold start, the cable does not have any voltage at all for few minutes thus causing that fault message.
Does anyone has any idea why the cable will not have voltage for first few minutes? Anyone good with BMW WDS and know where the current in this cable is coming from that I can diagnose further?
09-19-2012, 09:45 PM
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The absence of voltage is not the solenoids fault. The solenoid seems to be operating properly.
Look where the voltage is supposed to come from - the solenoid in the mechatronic unit or the TCM.
09-20-2012, 05:13 AM
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Why do you want to replace the solenoid? It is basically an electromagnet that moves in or out (depending upon the polarity direction) based upon the application of voltage. You have measured that the voltage is sometimes there (if car is warm) and sometimes not (when car has sits longer than 12 hours). You have also seen that when the voltage is present you don't get a warning message, and can probably deduce from that, that even though you cannot see the solenoid action it is probably moving and locking into place.
The absence of voltage is not the solenoids fault. The solenoid seems to be operating properly.
Look where the voltage is supposed to come from - the solenoid in the mechatronic unit or the TCM.
The absence of voltage is not the solenoids fault. The solenoid seems to be operating properly.
Look where the voltage is supposed to come from - the solenoid in the mechatronic unit or the TCM.
1. Is the trans sump has to be changed every time drain/fill is to be performed?
2. While doing a drain/fill, can the filling start at cold (meaning on cold start conditions). Or the trans has to be on a certain temperature to drain it and then on certain temperature to fill it. And then on between 30-40 C to do the second fill with car running.
3. While doing a drain/fill, the second top up has to be done with car running and in Park with handbreak or car turned off after running.
10-06-2012, 12:58 AM
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Model Year: 525i 2004
Does any know what is the torx size of the 24xBolts on the plastic sump of the auto trans on E60 6HP19.
According to the link below it should be using T40;
https://5series.net/forums/e60-discu...-refill-88129/
According to BMW part number, there is no information;
Torx screw - 24 11 7 552 108 - M6X28,5
According to the bolts on my sump pan on the car, it is T27.
Reason for this question, when I already know that T27 is what I have on my vehicle - I am planning to replace the pan and oil on the my trans and 14 bolts seems to have its torx teeth #@#$#@ by previous INDY's, so I will need to replace these bolts. The new bolts which I will buy, I need to know the size of Torx bit so I can by that tool as my hollow Torx bit T27 broke while I was trying to un-screw the pan
Also, what tools was used to open the fill plug, I know it needs 8mm Hex socket, but mine won't fit since there is very less space and the thread above says to use L-shape tool, what is L-shape tool?
According to the link below it should be using T40;
https://5series.net/forums/e60-discu...-refill-88129/
According to BMW part number, there is no information;
Torx screw - 24 11 7 552 108 - M6X28,5
According to the bolts on my sump pan on the car, it is T27.
Reason for this question, when I already know that T27 is what I have on my vehicle - I am planning to replace the pan and oil on the my trans and 14 bolts seems to have its torx teeth #@#$#@ by previous INDY's, so I will need to replace these bolts. The new bolts which I will buy, I need to know the size of Torx bit so I can by that tool as my hollow Torx bit T27 broke while I was trying to un-screw the pan
Also, what tools was used to open the fill plug, I know it needs 8mm Hex socket, but mine won't fit since there is very less space and the thread above says to use L-shape tool, what is L-shape tool?
10-07-2012, 01:23 AM
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Which is it?
You wrote about 3 issues so far in this thread: 1) gear in use w/o break 2) mechatronic and 3) solenoid.
Did you solve the first two or have you established that 3) resolves the 1st two?
I have been following the thread but am not very clear. I have had the 1st two issues and my be able to shed some light.
Did you solve the first two or have you established that 3) resolves the 1st two?
I have been following the thread but am not very clear. I have had the 1st two issues and my be able to shed some light.
10-07-2012, 10:40 PM
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You wrote about 3 issues so far in this thread: 1) gear in use w/o break 2) mechatronic and 3) solenoid.
Did you solve the first two or have you established that 3) resolves the 1st two?
I have been following the thread but am not very clear. I have had the 1st two issues and my be able to shed some light.
Did you solve the first two or have you established that 3) resolves the 1st two?
I have been following the thread but am not very clear. I have had the 1st two issues and my be able to shed some light.
Let me know if 1-2-3 are not clear to you, but they are all relevant and related to the initial problem which still exist, pending next step to do a oil drain.