Spinning so dangerously in the wet with DSC on?
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I am new to rear wheel drive but managed to spin a 525d during a test drive in the wet (full throttle on a roundabout in 2nd gear - a bit wet, salesman terrified but I controlled I it OK). That was 4 months ago and I was driving in the wet today for the first time in my new 530 D with 271hp and 590Nm (ECU re-map).
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
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Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
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Originally Posted by 07530d' post='317363' date='Jul 31 2006, 09:15 PM
I am new to rear wheel drive but managed to spin a 525d during a test drive in the wet (full throttle on a roundabout in 2nd gear - a bit wet, salesman terrified but I controlled I it OK). That was 4 months ago and I was driving in the wet today for the first time in my new 530 D with 271hp and 590Nm (ECU re-map).
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
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Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
DSC/DTC are working
If you experiment a bit more, you will find out with the traction control systems switched on, you only have limited ability to spin before the electronics take over. Fun whilst being safe
Find a safe place to experiment and you will soon realise that the electronic systems are always working in the background.
If you are new to rear wheel drive, try a 1 day rally driving course. You will very quickly come to realise why people choose BMWs over other marques - the enjoyment of driving
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DSC on the BMW will allow some wheel spin. It won't take as much control over the car as would a MB. It's the nature of the car. You'll get feedback and have a good idea of what's going on while still keeping safe.
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Try turning the DSC off, and then see what happens. Diesel torque, wet road, and no DSC is quite scary.
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Originally Posted by BangleBox_530d' post='317399' date='Jul 31 2006, 10:05 PM
Try turning the DSC off, and then see what happens. Diesel torque, wet road, and no DSC is quite scary.
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Originally Posted by ImolaRedM' post='317374' date='Jul 31 2006, 10:27 PM
DSC on the BMW will allow some wheel spin. It won't take as much control over the car as would a MB. It's the nature of the car. You'll get feedback and have a good idea of what's going on while still keeping safe.
I have a smooth, wide and empty 90 degree turn on the way to work where I still regularly switch DSC off, go to manual, select 2nd and boot it mid corner
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Originally Posted by BangleBox_530d' post='317399' date='Aug 1 2006, 12:05 AM
Try turning the DSC off, and then see what happens. Diesel torque, wet road, and no DSC is quite scary.
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Originally Posted by 07530d' post='317363' date='Jul 31 2006, 09:15 PM
I am new to rear wheel drive but managed to spin a 525d during a test drive in the wet (full throttle on a roundabout in 2nd gear - a bit wet, salesman terrified but I controlled I it OK). That was 4 months ago and I was driving in the wet today for the first time in my new 530 D with 271hp and 590Nm (ECU re-map).
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
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Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
Try a one days course with Ultimate Car Control ( www.ulitmatecarcontrol.com ). They will teach you about the dynamics of a vehicle and in particular how to maximise traction (and how to lose it
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Originally Posted by 07530d' post='317363' date='Jul 31 2006, 09:15 PM
I am new to rear wheel drive but managed to spin a 525d during a test drive in the wet (full throttle on a roundabout in 2nd gear - a bit wet, salesman terrified but I controlled I it OK). That was 4 months ago and I was driving in the wet today for the first time in my new 530 D with 271hp and 590Nm (ECU re-map).
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
I found it very easy to lose the back end when turning out of a bend and flooring it even when all the DTC DSC settings are on. Is it the RFT Bridgestones?, a problem with DSC / DTC?, or am I expecting too much bearing in mind the amount of torque I am putting down.
I quite enjoy it but get a bit embarresed if any cars or pedestrians see me
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Or is it just something to do with rear wheel drive I am not used too
The back end on my 530d is snap happy and I only have 500nm.
I remember your post about the test drive spin and it does sound like you need to get to grips with the handling.
Personally I find RWD safer and more progressive than FWD, when the back end slides you just ease of the gas and apply a bit of opposite lock to correct.
I think you need to play about on a track with the electronics off to understand the cars handling - which should make you safer on the road.
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I was going to post a the same thing i also span today in the rain i went around a corner slowly then floored it the
back just span outa control what fun O and dtc was completly off
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