Are the paddles 'overkill' for big diesel?
01-16-2007, 10:28 AM
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ask Steve he has his paddles, mine will have later new steering wheel and paddles let you know, my bet is def. worth it, as you can change better in turns etc.
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� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
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ask Steve he has his paddles, mine will have later new steering wheel and paddles let you know, my bet is def. worth it, as you can change better in turns etc. Do not forget big diesel is powerfull 
01-16-2007, 12:33 PM
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Overkill: Yes, I think so.
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
01-16-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg530' post='379135' date='Jan 16 2007, 09:33 PM
Overkill: Yes, I think so.
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
01-16-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='379181' date='Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM
But for ?70 it's a no brainer!
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Originally Posted by colejl' post='379181' date='Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM
But for ?70 it's a no brainer!
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01-17-2007, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Raighne' post='378902' date='Jan 16 2007, 10:22 AM
So the sports automatic added paddles, a different shifter a 'sports' button that activates the paddles and makes the throttle more sensitive and the gear changes swifter.
My question is this... in your opinion
Would this setup be total overkill (verging on redundant) for diesel engines like the 535d?
With the range of power and torque on that engine it sounds like very few gear changes are required (and more gear changes wouldn't add to the sportiness) In fact, the gears are probably used more to deliver higher economy that to squeeze out power and torque.
Do you really see yourself paddle-shifting a big diesel and country roads... I can imagine wanted to have that setup for a high-revving petrol but it doesn't seem necessary at all for a diesel.
What do you 535d/530d diesel drivers think?
My question is this... in your opinion
Would this setup be total overkill (verging on redundant) for diesel engines like the 535d?
With the range of power and torque on that engine it sounds like very few gear changes are required (and more gear changes wouldn't add to the sportiness) In fact, the gears are probably used more to deliver higher economy that to squeeze out power and torque.
Do you really see yourself paddle-shifting a big diesel and country roads... I can imagine wanted to have that setup for a high-revving petrol but it doesn't seem necessary at all for a diesel.
What do you 535d/530d diesel drivers think?
I find that the "improved" Steptronic (and possibly the extra power of the 335d over the 530d) actually means that D and DS modes are pretty good for most normal driving. I tend to drive in D and move the lever over to DS for overtaking, then go back to D.
I tend to use manual mode on long straight roads, dual carriageways and motorways, and I do now use the paddles to shift, mostly between M5 and M6 and back. I prefer to be able to flip down a gear to slow down rather than keep braking - that's the way I used to drive a manual car.
Are the paddles necessary? No, but they are useful, and I'm glad I have them. I don't use them on twisty roads or in "complex" traffic situations though - I prefer to put it in DS and concentrate on what I'm doing, leave the transmission to take care of itself.
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Originally Posted by red-max' post='379414' date='Jan 17 2007, 09:54 AM
On my E60 530d, I did use manual mode, and I still use it on my 335d (which has paddle shifts).
I find that the "improved" Steptronic (and possibly the extra power of the 335d over the 530d) actually means that D and DS modes are pretty good for most normal driving. I tend to drive in D and move the lever over to DS for overtaking, then go back to D.
I tend to use manual mode on long straight roads, dual carriageways and motorways, and I do now use the paddles to shift, mostly between M5 and M6 and back. I prefer to be able to flip down a gear to slow down rather than keep braking - that's the way I used to drive a manual car.
Are the paddles necessary? No, but they are useful, and I'm glad I have them. I don't use them on twisty roads or in "complex" traffic situations though - I prefer to put it in DS and concentrate on what I'm doing, leave the transmission to take care of itself.
I find that the "improved" Steptronic (and possibly the extra power of the 335d over the 530d) actually means that D and DS modes are pretty good for most normal driving. I tend to drive in D and move the lever over to DS for overtaking, then go back to D.
I tend to use manual mode on long straight roads, dual carriageways and motorways, and I do now use the paddles to shift, mostly between M5 and M6 and back. I prefer to be able to flip down a gear to slow down rather than keep braking - that's the way I used to drive a manual car.
Are the paddles necessary? No, but they are useful, and I'm glad I have them. I don't use them on twisty roads or in "complex" traffic situations though - I prefer to put it in DS and concentrate on what I'm doing, leave the transmission to take care of itself.
Thank for your for insightful write-up on how the paddles work for you with diesel
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Originally Posted by red-max' post='379414' date='Jan 17 2007, 09:54 AM
in "complex" traffic situations though - I prefer to put it in DS and concentrate on what I'm doing, leave the transmission to take care of itself.
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� Authentic HAMANN FRONT APRON Including ellipsoid fog lights Item-No.: 10 060 110
� Authentic HAMANN REAR SPOILER Item-No.: 10 060 130,
� Authentic HAMANN HAMANN ALUMINIUM PEDALS For cars with manual gearbox Item-No.: 80 099 100 81,00 For cars with automatic transmission Item-No.: 80 099 120
� Authentic HAMANN FOOT REST In aluminium For left-hand drive vehicles Item No. : 80 099 122
� Authentic HAMANN HAND-BRAKE LEVER In aluminium For left- and right-hand drive cars Item No. : 80 099 216
� Authentic HAMANN Idrive of alu (sorry this is the only one in the World) but you can have it in carbon fiber ,
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� Authentic HAMANN COVER FOR OIL FILLER CAP In aluminium Item-No.: 80 099 117
� Authentic HAMANN SPORT REAR MUFFLER 4 TAILPIPES Sport rear muffler with four round stainless-steel tailpipes ( � 76mm ) Item-No.: 50 060 111
� Authentic HAMANN new add-on for M pack rear with diffusor for quad pipes -AVAILABLE NOW (http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=30630&st=0#entry332409)
� ///M steering wheel w Pegasus logo (this will be also changed to three spoke sports)
� ///M pack rear
� HAMANN ECU upgrade 265 HP 608 Nm.
most improtant:
�real and working like a charm forumsbuy real LED tails and PIAA 4700k fogs!!! for HAMANN full front apron you need H3
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� Authentic HAMANN LIGHT-ALLOY WHEELS DESIGN EDITION RACE 20"
Ultra-light forged 3-pieced light-alloy wheel, Cross-spoke-design,Spider in black, titanium, screwing,polished flange
DIMENSIONS : 9.0 J x 20 FA Item No.: 91 207 315
10.5 J x 20 only RA Item No.: 91 207 625
Recommended 20" Complete Wheel Set DESIGN EDITION RACE I went with most aggressive Combination A.10 FA 9.0 J x 20 / RA 10.5 J x 20 with tires: FA 245/30 ZR 20 / RA 285/25 ZR 20
� Authentic HAMANN LOWERING KIT 4 progressive sport springs Lowering by approx. 40 mm FA, 20 mm RA Item-No.: 20 060 125
� Authentic HAMANN TIRE - PRESSURE CHECK SENSOR SYSTEM
� Authentic HAMANN SIDE SILLS Item-No.: 10 060 120
� Authentic HAMANN REAL CF ROOF SPOLIER Item-No.: 10 060 235
� Authentic HAMANN AIRBAG SPORT STEERING WHEEL 3-SPOKE Three-spoke design w their SMG paddles (For assembly O.E. airbag in exchange)
� Authentic HAMANN sports mirrors (all functions)
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� Individual leather interior (auburn+auburn alcantara)... and drive with sheer drivin' pleasure ... until 2009/2010 F10 comes or E60 possibly a 540d V8 diesel early in 2009 badly juiced!
Originally Posted by Greg530' post='379135' date='Jan 16 2007, 10:33 PM
Overkill: Yes, I think so.
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
I drive a 530d and very very very rarely have to use manual mode. (e.g. downhill or on long highways to keep it in 6) The characteristics of the diesel engine just is just different.
Previously I had a 325 E46 - there I did enjoy manual mode. But that was a petrol engine.
You don't need paddles.
Greg
I will get the paddles on tracks and Autobahn it is cool, for city driving def, we do not need and in this you are right.